When are you going fully electric?

[blun]

I like to be in and out of a petrol station in under 5 minutes. The current (see what I did there?) state of recharging is far too long, even at rapid charging sites to be practical.

As others said start from a blank page and forget everything you know about fuelling a car.

Think about it more like a laptop or phone. You don't take your phone to a specific place, then stand next to it while it charges. You plug it in whenever it's convenient and barely even think about it.

Just as an example in the last year / 10k miles I've used a rapid charger twice for less than 20 mins, and for 19 of those 20 mins I was using motorway services not standing by the car. This includes doing a 500 mile round trip on a single day, and multiple 600 mile long-weekend round-trips.

With 2 EV's in a year that's about 50 stops at the petrol station avoided at 10 minutes a go, so over 8 hours saved.

 

[sandys]

Whilst it is a doddle, it is still a chore to plug it in and wait but then that is perhaps because we only go 40-45 miles to a charge so its plugging in everyday some times multiple times a day, so more of a pain for me, perhaps another reason to avoid PHEV life..... whereas my other cars I don't fill for weeks so that petrol fill up is less of a bore, we will at some point downsize our xc60 to a smaller BEV I think.

It's another one of those man tasks too, like the bins Have you put the car on charge...nope....aaaargh! Or is that just my house.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I like to be in and out of a petrol station in under 5 minutes. The current (see what I did there?) state of recharging is far too long, even at rapid charging sites to be practical.

That's not how it works.

I'm so glad to be past the expensive tedium of having to fill up a petrol / diesel car. Getting into a car that's filled itself up at home overnight is so much more convenient.

 

[Haggisman]

ICE get more efficient (to a point) at higher speeds

That's not difficult when you're starting from ~30% efficiency in the first place (isn't something stupid like 70-80% of their energy "wasted" to heat and drive-train friction?)

you do know that if your driving south it doesn't mean you're driving down hill.
You will have also noted the "downhill" drive to weston had a worse mpg. Surely the descent should have helped my mpg beat the "uphill" return

The point? That driving at 70 uses more energy than driving at 56, yet some seem to think they are immune to the laws of physics.


Jesus what a gopher.

Im very confused. Fact became personal experience then a reference to breaking thermodynamics.

EVs are typically more efficient at 40-45. You are using a ICE to proof a EV point which is odd

I wanna go to a seaside which is uphill too. Everyone drives down to the seaside, even if you are going north. We don’t live in Netherlands

Did you both miss the part where it was the return journey which returned higher MPG? Unless he lives in a submarine, that would be the "uphill" drive!

Perhaps the thing most different when new to EVs is the regen braking. Its like engine braking in an ICE but slightly more (but can be adjusted). I wish it didn't put on your brake lights when it does it. As soon as you ease off the pedal, on they go! Now I understand what's going on with those people who "brake" all of the time in front of you.

As far as I'm aware, it will turn the brake lights on if you decelerate beyond a certain rate, and that depends on your regen settings - not sure if the Ioniq is similar to the Kona/Niro, but in those you can turn the regen off completely.

Ultimately though, you're still "braking", it's just that you're using electricity generation to do so, rather than heat generation, so it stands to reason that it will illuminate the brake lights.

 

[Simon]

No one missed anything he drove at 56mpg (i assume 56mph) in one direction and used less fuel then at 70mph in the other direction. The hill was just another factor as the sea tends to be downhill, but headwind etc is as big a factor really.

ICE get more efficient when they make more torque, its nothing to do with the inherent efficiency you mention. Hence a ICE peak is around 50-56mph (and has gears to optimise) verses a EV which is around 45mph ideal speed, so even with higher aero drag, the ICE gets more efficient under more load to counter it (learn about Volumetric efficient and pumping losses if you are confused with what i said before (which i did caveat with the 'up to a point' in brackets). I never ever said 70mph is more efficient than 56mpg. EV motors can drop to 60% efficient outside the efficiency map at extremes but EV energy consumption is pretty much speed linked

tldr; driving slower uses less energy.

Im a bit lost what he was adding if im honest, using a ICE to reply to someone's specific question about EV consumption in towns vs motorway. EVs tend to be better around city, especially with the benefit of regen, in the context of EV use. ICE tend to be more efficient on a longer run, in the context of ICE usuage). So actually quite different for someone new to EVs. (which again is why the motorway ICE example was a bit odd)

 

[Homer-Simpson]

Yes, I've had it three weeks now.

I've gone from a 9 year old A45 AMG to the Ioniq 5N, so its quite a bit different. It handles well, but you can feel the extra weight, especially under braking. It also feels very big compare to the A45. I've found it gets around 190 miles to a charge, so about 20% under the official figure, but it has been pretty cold aswell. The power delivery is instant and brutal as you'd expect but even with your foot to the floor the traction is excellent.

Biggest annoyances to me are the driver "aids". Lane assist and speed limit warning are on by default and will drive you mad. They also cannot be turned off permanently and must be disabled on each trip. 1mph over and its beeping at you and it will often try to steer you back into your lane when you don't want it to. On country roads it is infuriating.

Perhaps the thing most different when new to EVs is the regen braking. Its like engine braking in an ICE but slightly more (but can be adjusted). I wish it didn't put on your brake lights when it does it. As soon as you ease off the pedal, on they go! Now I understand what's going on with those people who "brake" all of the time in front of you.

I've read you can bind a button on the wheel to take you to the favourites so you can access the speed limit warning etc quickly and turn it off. Not ideal but I appreciate it's a new addition to all cars now. Can you customise the alert? I know some people were asking if you could set it to 10% higher before it notifies you but never saw an answer.

Is the 190 miles from 100% charge or 80%? Just seen there was another page to the thread and someone already asked that

Any regrets?

 

[Troezar]

I'm open minded. Once EV's are better than ICE cars in all aspects, (range (in all conditions/use cases), price, fill up time, weight, residuals, longevity, insurance, tax) I'll be happy to change. That's not going to be for a while yet though but I'm in no rush.

 

[blun]

I'm open minded. Once EV's are better than ICE cars in all aspects, (range (in all conditions/use cases), price, fill up time, weight, residuals, longevity, insurance, tax) I'll be happy to change. That's not going to be for a while yet though but I'm in no rush.

Obviously joking but they are so much better already..

Except on residuals driven by misinformation, but that means bargain used prices for savvy buyers right now.

 

[Journey]

I'm open minded. Once EV's are better than ICE cars in all aspects, (range (in all conditions/use cases), price, fill up time, weight, residuals, longevity, insurance, tax) I'll be happy to change. That's not going to be for a while yet though but I'm in no rush.

I'm open minded about going back to ICE, once they can match BEV's in all aspect. The ability to be refuelled at home without having to stand with it while being refuelled, when they can power my home using just a cable running straight to my inverter, when they cost the same per mile to run, when the maintenance is as low as BEV, when they be used while camping to power all my 230v electrical devices without external equipment, when they don't make un-needed noise pollution, and when they stop producing toxic emissions form the exhaust. Probably a few dozen other things as well, needless to say that's not going to be for a while yet.

 

[Simon]

Residuals are based on the market. Not sure you can claim misinformation

 

[Troezar]

Obviously joking but they are so much better already..

Except on residuals driven by misinformation, but that means bargain used prices for savvy buyers right now.

There are some aspects in some use cases where they are better, but not all. It wouldn't make any financial sense for me to sell my current car, and in many important aspects I would be buying a worse car. Currently I can go to Cornwall and back on tank of fuel with some range left. I pay £30 tax a year and £300 insurance. I could charge an EV at home cheaper. In "green" terms running the current one until it dies makes a lot more sense. The market by then should be more mature with plenty of options.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I've read you can bind a button on the wheel to take you to the favourites so you can access the speed limit warning etc quickly and turn it off. Not ideal but I appreciate it's a new addition to all cars now. Can you customise the alert? I know some people were asking if you could set it to 10% higher before it notifies you but never saw an answer.

Is the 190 miles from 100% charge or 80%? Just seen there was another page to the thread and someone already asked that

Any regrets?

sadly that is part of the ncap testing now. if you want 5* all that crap had to be on as default . I wouldn't mind so much if it always worked correctly

 

[Troezar]

I'm open minded about going back to ICE, once they can match BEV's in all aspect. The ability to be refuelled at home without having to stand with it while being refuelled, when they can power my home using just a cable running straight to my inverter, when they cost the same per mile to run, when the maintenance is as low as BEV, when they be used while camping to power all my 230v electrical devices without external equipment, when they don't make un-needed noise pollution, and when they stop producing toxic emissions form the exhaust. Probably a few dozen other things as well, needless to say that's not going to be for a while yet.

Good for you. I don't really care which is "better", I don't get anything for winning on the internet. I do know however, that I would be significantly worse off swapping my perfectly good ICE car for an EV, that's just fact. That's great if they are working for your situation but that's not everyone. It is one issue I have with all this, the "I'm all right Jack" attitude, we all have very different lives, incomes, needs. The future is likely to be a mixed economy of options. One size is unlikely to fit all

 

[Journey]

Good for you. I don't really care which is "better", I don't get anything for winning on the internet.

Lol what? You posted a stupid list of things for the sake of posting them, with no reason, weight, longevity (no data/evidence?), insurance and tax, eh? What's to win when you posted nonsense.

I do know however, that I would be significantly worse off swapping my perfectly good ICE car for an EV, that's just fact.

Is it? Given what you posted it sounds to me like you maybe have little idea about BEV's and therefore your data you are basing this fact on is likely less fact, and more a guess.

It is one issue I have with all this, the "I'm all right Jack" attitude, we all have very different lives, incomes, needs. The future is likely to be a mixed economy of options. One size is unlikely to fit all

So what you are saying is I shouldn't go back to ICE?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

when they can power my home using just a cable running straight to my inverter,

Just realised, if my daily usage is 8kw that equals about 28 miles of my car battery to power my house for the day
Now I know why I was asked if my car could power my house in another thread I made.
Charge it up for 7p a Kw and then power the house with it for 56p a day

 

[blun]

Residuals are based on the market. Not sure you can claim misinformation

It’s a market severely impacted by misinformation. The amount of people that think the batteries only last 10 years, catch fire, or take 3 hrs to charge on a long trip is staggering!

 

[SexyGreyFox]

we all have very different lives, incomes, needs. The future is likely to be a mixed economy of options. One size is unlikely to fit all

I wish ICE owners would get this instead of making stuff up about EVs, we need to have a choice.
If I had a lifestyle like yours I would still have an ICE, instead we granny drive about 10 miles a day locally.

 

[blun]

There are some aspects in some use cases where they are better, but not all. It wouldn't make any financial sense for me to sell my current car, and in many important aspects I would be buying a worse car. Currently I can go to Cornwall and back on tank of fuel with some range left. I pay £30 tax a year and £300 insurance. I could charge an EV at home cheaper. In "green" terms running the current one until it dies makes a lot more sense. The market by then should be more mature with plenty of options.

It’s absolutely not greener to run an existing ICE car than switch to an EV (except in niche cases e.g doing <2000 miles per year it’d be best to keep the ICE for 10 more years then scrap it).

 

[Simon]

It’s a market severely impacted by misinformation. The amount of people that think the batteries only last 10 years, catch fire, or take 3 hrs to charge on a long trip is staggering!

But that’s the reality of the market. It’s like telling everyone they needed a overclocked pc because you have one

 

[Simon]

I wish ICE owners would get this instead of making stuff up about EVs, we need to have a choice.
If I had a lifestyle like yours I would still have an ICE, instead we granny drive about 10 miles a day locally.

Ironically I wish EV owners, who have literally had an Ev for a week, would stop calling people ‘ICE owners’ stupid just because they could dump £20k on a car to do 50miles a week and then preach to people…