Oh so it is sometimes ? Not many are doing it for greener. Come on. They are doing it cause it’s cheaper.
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When are you going fully electric?
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Not really- there’s people that would be way better off with an EV, but are scared because they read in the Daily Mail that they run out of battery every 5 miles.
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What would be a better or less confrontational way to say it?
Non-EV drivers?
Potential-EV drivers?
All ears on this as my job involves talking to people about sustainability including EVs every day and the last thing I want is for people to disengage because of wording / terminology.
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Agree as sadly a lot of people don’t care about the sustainability impact of their choices.
Making the sustainable option the cheaper option is the best way to move the dial in the direction we need it to go.
No children then ?
Just see it all the time. A very intentional fence put up. Often there is a class divide within
Well they aren’t guys buying them brand new on 3yr deals when it’s irrelevant about how the battery is as a second hand car…
I am not convinced about EV’s being sustainable. No one wants to touch them second hand as they are liability.
I still drive around in a 20 year old car, which given general maintenance could probably keep going for many more years.
Are people going to be driving 20 year old EV’s? Be amazed if many of them make it that far.
I still drive around in a 20 year old car, which given general maintenance could probably keep going for many more years.
Are people going to be driving 20 year old EV’s? Be amazed if many of them make it that far.
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Thinking about their children is a good way to engage people but I still talk with people daily who don’t feel like their choices make any difference (which they do!)
As most people buy used, and there’s a really good choice of used EVs available for the same price as equivalent combustion cars that could save them a lot of money plus all the other benefits. They don’t even consider it because misinformation has put them off.
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The average combustion car is scrapped at 16 years old. EVs can last significantly longer as they have far fewer moving parts, and less maintenance needed.
Yes the battery will degrade a bit, but a 300 mile EV purchased today will still be a 250+ mile EV in 20 years / 200k miles time- still very usable.
The batteries can then be used for 2nd life applications for many more years, then eventuallycan be recycled into new batteries that are as good as those made with newly mined materials.
I have a 2nd hand EV an am far less worried about it than a used combustion car.
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Replacing the battery is still much more expensive than almost anything that can go wrong on an average combustion engine car. There are combustion engine cars out there with hundreds of thousands of miles on them with only routine servicing.
I’m not against EV’s. I think they should be sold on their technical merits, of which they have plenty. But I’m not convinced by the argument that they are more sustainable.
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Soldato
No one? Are you sure? Sounds like more made up tripe as usual.
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Replacing a battery is a rare / catastrophic event - much the same as engine failure. It’s not expected, you’re very unlucky if it happens, and if out of warranty you get a refurbished engine/battery.
The misinformation I mentioned above comes into play here leading to a view that the batteries only last a few years (probably also related to experience with phones and laptops which aren’t comparable, but understand why people might think so)
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Ok, a great portion of the market doesn’t want to touch them.
Battery pack maybe. Battery cell more common. I was speaking to UK garage owners last weekend who specialise in battery pack repairs. I think you are just making stuff up now. The uk car park average age is 8.9years old. EVs haven’t been around long enough(in significant numbers).
Again doesn’t matter what you think. It’s what the market thinks and hence the residuals.
As opposed to yours ?
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Average age a car is scrapped is 16 years (not average age of cars on the road).
Car manufacturers do torture testing on their EVs to simulate many years and miles of use.
There’s 10 year old EVs on UK roads with >400k miles on them with original batteries and motors.
Agree on residuals though- until the market comes to trust through more experience that EVs last longer than combustion cars, people will remain sceptical. They’ve had decades of experience with combustion and very little with EVs, so human nature is to stick to what you know.
(I leased my first WV because I was worried about the battery but now have zero concerns after several years more experience)
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Soldato
There are entire businesses that are built on selling used BEV's, soon to be eating the dealers lunch while they are caught sleeping. The lack of knowledge in the car market place about BEV's is frankly staggering, and as for Joe Blogs on the street, they seem to know less about them than quantum physics and just parrot the **** they read that morning on the Daily Fail website.
All pretty much irrelevant if the market in general doesn’t want to buy used EV’s. Whether they are right or wrong, the market is the market.
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It is more than relevant, information allows people to make a decision, if the decision is based on crap/made up data then the decision could be wrong. Tell me where are you getting the data that there is no used market for BEV's?