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Mr Jack said:
Huh? On every car I've ever driven you control the rear wiper by pushing the wiper stalk forward or backwards? How's that "looking trash"?
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I think you miss-interpreted my post. I was referring to the rear wiper itself, not the button.

Most modern saloon cars and ‘sport back’ crossover SUVs don’t have a rear wiper because of there is nowhere to physically put the wiper without just plopping it in the back of the car which looks trash.

You don’t really need one anyway, as soon as you are moving, the water beads off the glass.

On a car with a more square back, you can hide the wiper at the top under the rear spoiler. Likewise, the glass also gets a lot dirtier than a saloon car and it doesn’t bead off.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You don’t really need one anyway, as soon as you are moving, the water beads off the glass.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. I have a coupe and my god do I miss not having a rear wiper. Unless I clean the glass thoroughly and regularly it doesn't take a lot to make the glass dirty, then the water stops beading off. Plus it only beads off above 45-50mph ish anyway. I drive mostly around town so it never clears unless I get out and do it manually. I agree that hatchbacks and SUVs need them more, but I'd still benefit from having one.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I think you miss-interpreted my post. I was referring to the rear wiper itself, not the button.
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Whereas I was talking about the controls for the front wind-screen wiper, so I think we have been cheerfully talking past one another :)

Most modern saloon cars and ‘sport back’ crossover SUVs don’t have a rear wiper because of there is nowhere to physically put the wiper without just plopping it in the back of the car which looks trash.

You don’t really need one anyway, as soon as you are moving, the water beads off the glass.
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Yeah, I've heard that before, yet on every single car I've had without a rear wiper its absence has annoyed me. It's true they're not needed as much, but I still think they're needed. You're right that they do look kinda bad. In any case, I don't particularly criticise Tesla for that lack, as you say it's common across the industry.
 
Skilid said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have a coupe and my god do I miss not having a rear wiper. Unless I clean the glass thoroughly and regularly it doesn't take a lot to make the glass dirty, then the water stops beading off. Plus it only beads off above 45-50mph ish anyway. I drive mostly around town so it never clears unless I get out and do it manually. I agree that hatchbacks and SUVs need them more, but I'd still benefit from having one.
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Why are you looking behind you? :S Those are the losers
 
Skilid said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. I have a coupe and my god do I miss not having a rear wiper. Unless I clean the glass thoroughly and regularly it doesn't take a lot to make the glass dirty, then the water stops beading off. Plus it only beads off above 45-50mph ish anyway. I drive mostly around town so it never clears unless I get out and do it manually. I agree that hatchbacks and SUVs need them more, but I'd still benefit from having one.
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I've not once wished I had one on any of my saloon cars. It's just never an issue.
 
Mr Jack said:
Whereas I was talking about the controls for the front wind-screen wiper, so I think we have been cheerfully talking past one another :)
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That makes more sense! Tesla’s auto wipers have historically utter garbage as well which really doesn’t help with that.

Fortunately that has quietly been sorted out with some updates they delivered over the summer.

You can tell it’s also worked because the almost daily groans about them and that Tesla would never get them working properly in the owners group have all but disappeared.
 
Mr Jack said:
One of the worst things about the ID.3. Just a terrible idea. They have been improved in the latest models, including basics like backlighting for the heat and volume controls IIRC, but it's still poor. You'd have to find it a lot more annoying that I do to think that's a deal breaker, though, especially when you compare to a Tesla doing stuff like not having a binnacle and getting rid of the wiper and indicator controls on stalks.



Nope, it's just plain bad. It's not a question of adapting, it's a question of the technology being substantially worse to use. Less ergonomic, more fiddly, and as a result requires more of your attention to use. Take a trivial thing like switching on heated seats, on most older cars I tap a button a couple of times (VW/Seat) or turn a dial (Skoda), on the ID.3 I have to look at a screen to find the button, press part of the screen, wait a second, press part of the screen a couple of times - and because it has no actual physical presence I can't even locate my finger against the switch I have to compensate for the movement of the car.

Thankfully the number of complaints seems to be pushing car designers back to having sensible controls for basic functions, so I think this is the only generation of cars which will be this bad.
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Or you adapt and realise pressing cold and hot together at same time with two fingers turns on the heated seats. The heating buttons are separated from the volume with a ridge too. So no idea why people struggle with it. It’s doesn’t need to be lit up

You can just change heat with the on screen temp by pressing on the screen and sliding left or right, the screen it always lit up too. Again people complain because they don’t actually read how to use the controls properly and revert to the ‘typical’ way

For id3/vw screen you can rest fingers on top and use thumb if it’s bumpy
 
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Simon said:
Or you adapt and realise pressing cold and hot together at same time with two fingers turns on the heated seats.
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Oo! Handy, thanks for that. If only they'd taken the basic ergonomic step of marking that somehow. Is there a way to toggle the heated steering wheel in the same way?

The heating buttons are separated from the volume with a ridge too. So no idea why people struggle with it. It’s doesn’t need to be lit up
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It does need to be lit up, because otherwise you need to have a much more precise memory of exactly where everything is, and because your passengers aren't necessarily used to your car. Lighting buttons has been a basic part of car controls for donkey's years. It was just plain poor of VW not to do it, and it makes the car less ergonomic to use at night.

You can just change heat with the on screen temp by pressing on the screen and sliding left or right, the screen it always lit up too. Again people complain because they don’t actually read how to use the controls properly and revert to the ‘typical’ way
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Which is still way worse than just having a normal temperature control.

For id3/vw screen you can rest fingers on top and use thumb if it’s bumpy
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You can, but it's super clunky, especially compared to just having the far superior dials/buttons they put on all previous cars. Obviously, with modern cars, some stuff is going to be put on the screen - there's far too much to deal with otherwise - but basic controls should still have buttons. And there should never, ever, be capacitive buttons used for anything. They are strictly inferior to real buttons.
 
Simon said:
Or you adapt and realise pressing cold and hot together at same time with two fingers turns on the heated seats. The heating buttons are separated from the volume with a ridge too. So no idea why people struggle with it. It’s doesn’t need to be lit up

You can just change heat with the on screen temp by pressing on the screen and sliding left or right, the screen it always lit up too. Again people complain because they don’t actually read how to use the controls properly and revert to the ‘typical’ way

For id3/vw screen you can rest fingers on top and use thumb if it’s bumpy
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[TW]Fox said:
I've not once wished I had one on any of my saloon cars. It's just never an issue.
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Whilst it may not be an issue for some, it is for others. It doesn't help that my driveway is right next to an enormous oak tree, so the car regularly gets covered in tree sap etc. It only takes a matter of days after wiping it before you can't see out the back properly in the dark, especially in the spring & autumn when there's lots of junk coming off the tree.

Even if I have cleaned it, if I don't drive on fast enough roads for the rain to bead off then it just all sits on the glass until I squeegee it off. Sure you can still see, but if there are headlights or bright building lights behind you when you're reversing it still hampers your rearward vision as the light gets scattered all over the rear window.

With a rear wiper it doesn't matter if it's rain, dirt, tree sap etc. It doesn't matter if you've forgotten to wipe the glass before your journey. With a push of a switch it's all just gone and you can see perfectly. They're just better.

I'm sure if you live away from trees and drive on fast roads then it's unlikely/less likely to be an issue.
 
The way folk push back against other peoples opinions as if they are "wrong" makes me wonder why the market hasn't responded and just given a singular entity of a vehicle that works for everyone :D
 
Skilid said:
Whilst it may not be an issue for some, it is for others. It doesn't help that my driveway is right next to an enormous oak tree, so the car regularly gets covered in tree sap etc. It only takes a matter of days after wiping it before you can't see out the back properly in the dark, especially in the spring & autumn when there's lots of junk coming off the tree.
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So the issue then isn't that the car doesn't have one on the back it's that you park under a tree and use it to clear that off, not sure that was the intention behind it :D
 
Another Intelligent Go question if you don't mind.

Plugged car in around 6pm and a Schedule was created.
20:00 to 21:00
21:30 to 05:30

I told the wife she can start her washer and dryer at at those times for cheap electricity - Smart Meter showed we were on 7p/Kw.
However EV up to 11:45 still hadn't started charging.
I went outside, unplugged, plugged, told the Zappi to start charging and went to bed.

Should I have just waited and let iGo do it's job because I got worried?
If I set my car to charge from 11:30 would that override iGo?
 
dlockers said:
The way folk push back against other peoples opinions as if they are "wrong" makes me wonder why the market hasn't responded and just given a singular entity of a vehicle that works for everyone :D
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Pah you're all wrong, I just tell my car I'm cold or I'm hot, and it sorts my comfort out for me, touchscreen are for losers ;) :P :D

Buttons do seem to be the best thing for many options and it is good to see some are shifting back.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That makes more sense! Tesla’s auto wipers have historically utter garbage as well which really doesn’t help with that.

Fortunately that has quietly been sorted out with some updates they delivered over the summer.

You can tell it’s also worked because the almost daily groans about them and that Tesla would never get them working properly in the owners group have all but disappeared.
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Really....they are still terrible in my model y, I'm always having to intervene to adjust the speed...sometimes in auto I literally can't see out the screen, and nope, nothing...
 
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