Soldato
My butler fills both my cars up, no idea what you guys are talking about.
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Wait, Albert takes the Batmobile out to the local Shell garage?
This is like one of those stories where on queried the poster keeps adding pertinent details they left out, or to change the story.
I've a fitted boot liner. (Learnt from spilling milk in the past) Butto be honest I've never had a situation where I've dragged the cable through so much water and mud to make the boot wet and dirty. I also have the cable in a bag and it's under the floor in the boot.
Even when had we work van with tools and materials, we never destroyed the interior with water and dirt on muddy sites.
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If by play you mean coil up and mud you mean brick weave then yeah, that's me every morning. I've got one end permanently connected in the garage so it's just coil, hook up and off I go. Not sure how I could make it any easier but in the context of filling up with petrol being described as "horrid" it would be fair to describe it as a "minor inconvenience" IMO.
It's kind of irrelevant anyway, you need to fuel your car with something and that requires shoving something into a hole. It's just funny describing some apocalyptic scene while being battered by arctic conditions when we all know that even in the depths of winter a couple of minutes on a petrol station forecourt is a non event.
The positives are already obvious with an EV, massively cheaper fuel at your own home. No need to make out like the alternative is the stuff of nightmares
The entire experience was horrid, I'll stick to it, and nothing like spending a few seconds plugging in a cable, which take a few seconds then stepping into a nice warm house.
Also you've precisely highlighted my point charging a car is a non-event where ever you are. Can't avoid the horrors of a re-fuelling station either way, one is much more pleasant than the other.
I honestly don't care if you agree or not, I have had an EV for nearly 5 years, and for me the total displeasure of having to put fuel was a thing of not so recent past, so it made me realise just how awful it is. It's a counter point to the clowns who complain about the inconvenience of charging an EV like it is the end of their life, when they likely waste more time combined putting fuel in a year.
His point seemed to be that filling up with liquid fuel is absolutely horrid because pump handles are cold. I'm just pointing out (a little tongue in cheek, admittedly), that it's a moot point, because any sensible person heading out in this weather would probably have a set of gloves with them anyway.
Yes, you wouldn't have to be there anyway with an EV, but the whole EV/ICE debate is full of stupid side taking and point scoring; and to me "filling up with fuel is unbearable because the pump is cold" is just as silly as "EVs are not fit for purpose because a few of us occasionally like to drive 600 miles without stopping."
Sorry, like lordlrobs, I should have just chuckled at it and moved on
Did I say I destroyed it ? I loop it hanged on a bollard but it’s still wet in the boot with my big coat, bag etc. rain gets things wet !
Get over yourself
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Oh sure, totally get it. My missus is planning to change cars next year and I'm hoping we can go for something like a PHEV, because although I'm not sure a full BEV would be suitable for us, I do like the idea of just charging at home for the vast majority of the time. And also, being able to step into a nice warm car would be lovely this time of year.
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My point was, it was unexpected and I didn't plan it, not my car, it was bloody freezing and the wind chill made is even more unbearable, I had gloves, the free ones the stop you getting smelly hands. It was merely a point that I made giving my recount of an experience I do not miss, and how I felt about it, and realising how much I appreciate moving away from these 'minor inconveniences' - no one needed to agree or disagree with me.
His point seemed to be that filling up with liquid fuel is absolutely horrid because pump handles are cold. I'm just pointing out (a little tongue in cheek, admittedly), that it's a moot point, because any sensible person heading out in this weather would probably have a set of gloves with them anyway.
Yes, you wouldn't have to be there anyway with an EV, but the whole EV/ICE debate is full of stupid side taking and point scoring; and to me "filling up with fuel is unbearable because the pump is cold" is just as silly as "EVs are not fit for purpose because a few of us occasionally like to drive 600 miles without stopping."
Sorry, like lordlrobs, I should have just chuckled at it and moved on
When we had our home diesel tank the cold handles was something that was a pain in cold weather. (Actually it was same in summer) Any gloves you used would reek of diesel. Are the pumps in the US different they don't seem to need to hold them. I had forgotten about it because I fill our ICE much less frequently these days.
Its just a matter of convenience. It's convenience is something you care about or you don't.
On my weekend away I was in relatively remote town, and while there were high speed fast chargers on the outskirts. There almost no destination AC chargers in the centre of town or near the hotel. There was a hotel on the outskirts with chargers but we have to drive in and out to the town, and wanted to be within walking distance of everything.
Again a convenience thing.
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On the flip side side on my trip none of the fast chargers I used were covered and most were a good distance from station or shops. That's improving but really no joined up thinking. It was -1 to 1 and raining and sleet.
Another issue was chargers too close together and cables too short. Meaning some spaces were unusable with another EV alongside. On reflection I might choose different charging hubs next time even if more expensive because they are better a layout and not so remote from amenities on the location. Something I'd not considered previously.
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It's annoying not having covered chargers, but at the same time an EV charger doesn't need an entire forecourt building for it, so you are always going to get that in some places. If we could do fuel pumps like EV chargers then there would be a couple on McDonalds car park etc, certainly no where to put a proper roof. I do like some of the bus shelter style ones they have in Norway though, small but functional and ensure you have some shelter.
Lessons being learned every day by the providers of these facilities I'd hope, especially once there are more than needed and they don't generate good revenue due to these issues.
I really wanted a car I could preheat without fumes on the drive and had a heated windscreen. Because we do a lot of short local trips and clearing the windscreen for a short drive took longer than the drive. Car would take too long to get warm and then we'd be back out of it before it heated up. Then repeat a few times the same evening or morning. Same with driving to the train in the morning.
I originally wanted a phev but for what I wanted they were too expensive for decent range. Also have a second ICE car. After having the EV for a year or so, I'm really gone off the Phev route, unless I only had one car and did frequent long trips, or trips with very poor charging infrastructure or no time for charging.
I'm not the one who is struggling with keeping simple things in a boot dry. Just use a water proof bag or box. Man up.
it’s a 7.5m cable. What’s a simple thing ? It’s annoying to put in a bag or box. And I don’t want a damp bag smelling in my car thanks so I just let it dry itself in the boot and don’t need your advice. A box lol.
It’s fine I’ll cope but thanks for your care. I’ll make sure I man up too whilst I’m at it. Whatever that means?
Wonder if you talk to people like this in real life?
In an ideal future, every single car park would be covered with awnings with a charging outlet for every space. Top the awnings with solar panels to assist the output. Cars can charge regardless of where they park, and you can stay dry carrying your shopping back from the shop entrance 
My GFs use case is a bit weird. She works from home and only occasionally has to do a long drive to her office. She owns a horse and has to go to the stables daily, but it's only a few miles, as would be any local driving for the shops, etc. Usually this would full BEV territory; even her office commute would be no more than about 140 miles a day. But...she also needs to tow a horsebox every so often. For obvious reasons you absolutely don't want to be caught short for range, and can't stop to charge up for long periods with a horse in tow. So I reckon that a PHEV, even with a modest battery-only range of maybe 30 miles or whatever would be ideal - that would be enough for all the daily local driving, could do all the short trips into town without even firing up the engine. But then if she needs to go to the office, that's not a problem, and it would be less worrisome when towing Trotter McLong-face around.
Still looking at options at the moment. I did consider starting a PHEV thread for ideas and discussion but didn't know if it would step on the toes of this thread too much.
My GFs use case is a bit weird. She works from home and only occasionally has to do a long drive to her office. She owns a horse and has to go to the stables daily, but it's only a few miles, as would be any local driving for the shops, etc. Usually this would full BEV territory; even her office commute would be no more than about 140 miles a day. But...she also needs to tow a horsebox every so often. For obvious reasons you absolutely don't want to be caught short for range, and can't stop to charge up for long periods with a horse in tow. So I reckon that a PHEV, even with a modest battery-only range of maybe 30 miles or whatever would be ideal - that would be enough for all the daily local driving, could do all the short trips into town without even firing up the engine. But then if she needs to go to the office, that's not a problem, and it would be less worrisome when towing Trotter McLong-face around.
Still looking at options at the moment. I did consider starting a PHEV thread for ideas and discussion but didn't know if it would step on the toes of this thread too much.
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Chargers too close. Cables too short? Oh you got wet plugging it in because no cover and then had to walk a little bit. Oh do man up
Sounds like you struggle to walk.
See that’s how your reply was. Hypercrite
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Actually all I'm doing is mirroring your posting style. You don't seem to like it. That's the Irony.
Cable doesn't reach or two cars can't fit side by side is an infrastructure layout problem. it's not something a driver can fix with positive mental attitude.
We can cover petrol pumps. High speed EV chargers should be the same. Simple as that. I'm all for convenience. Not sure why you want drivers who could be old, or other types of people dragging cables though mud getting soaked. It's not like you didn't complain about it.
This is just stupid design and poor thinking.. Why you'd want to defend that I've no idea.
Dunno. Why you have to be a dick cause I said I just put a wet cable in my boot is beyond me too. Little man syndrome I feel?
So it isn’t an issue they are not covered and too far. Got it.
Can we talk about something more interesting now.
So it isn’t an issue they are not covered and too far. Got it.
Can we talk about something more interesting now.
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