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When are you going fully electric?
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Fair enough, that's a bit more achievable. You're looking at £25-30k+ cars to reliably get that 180-200 mile round trip though (particularly in winter), which is still way outside of the budget of many people
Indeed, I can achieve 210-220 in summer and I've been unable to do any really long trips but indicated range at an average of 60mph in the winter is about 150-160, however those were short trips where the heating would have had a huge impact vs. a longer journey. I'm way more than happy with how much I was lucky enough to get the vehicle for, lots of others wouldn't be so lucky, but for me personally the cost isn't everything.
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£38k after grant. They are having a laugh.
I have a deposit down on an ID4 AWD and had the email last week to lock in my configuration but after watching some of the reviews I'm having second thoughts - the US market versions have no heat pump or head-up display which is a shame but more worryingly a lot of the reviews mention that the infotainment is laggy and doesn't always respond to touches which is just unforgivable in a brand new model.
I have an e-Golf at the moment and the VW Car-Net app only works when it feels like it to pre-condition the car - supposedly the ID4 is the same which is hopeless.
There is talk of the $7,500 Federal tax credit being reinstated for Tesla, if that happens I will likely cancel and get a Model Y instead unless something better comes along.
I have an e-Golf at the moment and the VW Car-Net app only works when it feels like it to pre-condition the car - supposedly the ID4 is the same which is hopeless.
There is talk of the $7,500 Federal tax credit being reinstated for Tesla, if that happens I will likely cancel and get a Model Y instead unless something better comes along.
It’s the First Edition which pretty much comes standard with every option. Cheaper versions are coming later in the year.
Laggy infotainment will be easily fixed with a software update.
Heat pumps are option across the ID range
Actually the 1st edition isn’t that loaded. It’s more of an early adopter one-spec special to get the factory used to making them. The iD3 1st editions are actually quite spartan. They don’t have speakers in the back for example.
Maybe so with the software, but why take the risk? The earliest iD3s were registered 6 months ago and they’re still not fully right. Better, sure, but not right. And VW have been throwing incentives at 1st edition customers to get them to shut up about the various issues. Some drivers are reporting under 1 mile per kW in the cold on short journeys.
As far as I’m aware (from videos I’ve watched) none of the US spec cars are getting heat pumps.
And I’m not singling out VW for this. I wouldn’t have one of the first Ioniq 5’s for the same reason. They’ve designed a completely new platform and no-one knows if it’ll be a goodie or a baddie yet. None of the journalists pronouncing it to be the next big thing have even sat in one, let alone driven one or have any experience of how any of the fancy new features works. That’s a biggish risk to take in my view.
Until Tesla release the Model Y in the UK VW have the this mid size, mid-premium badge SUV market to themselves, and when they do it’s £50k plus options. Yes it’s faster with more range but that £12k before the VW discounts.
I don't think so, there are loads of options in that segment already, Polestar, Mach-e above it and cars like the e-Nero, MG 5 and ZS are putting pressure on from below. The ID range is also a step down from the golf in terms of interior quality and isn't exactly 'premium' but its 'fine'. The options on the ID range really pushes up the price for something you actually want (e.g. heat pump cost over 1k). Polestar, Mach-e and Tesla will always be more premium options and come with a lot of kit from as standard. If anything Telsa are late to this party in Europe and I'm sure we will see PSA, Nissan and Renault joining the fun shortly.
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Quite like the looks of the upcoming Cupra Born, warmish hatch with decent range. Could be good. 
I don't want to take that risk, it might be because they're using underpowered hardware!
Heat pumps are not available on the ID4 in the US at all, I believe Canada is getting one as standard though.
model3 only lost 20% range without a heat pump.
Heat pumps are default on corsa, kona, new m3, (...? ) aren't the manufacturers getting the message ?, WLTP process needs to be more honest.
Are the heat pumps on the kona also helping with faster/efficient pre-conditioning (ie wired into battery circuit)
Heat pumps are default on corsa, kona, new m3, (...? ) aren't the manufacturers getting the message ?, WLTP process needs to be more honest.
Are the heat pumps on the kona also helping with faster/efficient pre-conditioning (ie wired into battery circuit)
Assuming Hyundai/Kia don’t mess up the e-GMP platform cars, they’re going to wipe the floor with VAG in this sector. From the base SE Ioniq 5 at £40K after the grant to the £55K Ioniq 5 N (supposedly 3.5 seconds 0-100km/h) it just looks like a better product. Obviously discounts will have an impact but I just think Hyundai/Kia have a bit of a head start on VAG, and VAG aren’t catching up fast enough.
Renault have the electric Megane on its way, Mercedes have smaller EQ models coming. VAG may have missed the boat.
Kona and e-Niro do take a hit on short journeys but nothing like the catastrophic impact you see with iD3. Maybe @RoboCod could comment on his experience with the Ioniq?
I can't see why the heat pumps aren't being used for battery pre-conditioning , or at least a hybrid system that uses the heat pump if the outside temp is compatible -
it should be more efficient like it is for the cabin, and the heat capacity of the battery is probably greater than the cabin
(do ev's have noticable underfloor heating, nonetheless)
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It’s still energy needed in colder weather regardless of efficiency. Huge amount of thermal energy in a 400-600kg battery pack. Also need a decent amount of airflow and many cars won’t fire up the fans to do that when parked up.
Checked this morning, it was on 38% before I hit preheat and on 36% once I got in the car, but didn't drop to 35% after leaving for a good while, so maybe 1.5-2%, that was -1c outside with car set to 23c. 1% for me = a range loss of 1.8 miles based on the 180 miles per full charge I am seeing over the past couple of days.
pre-conditioning looking at tesla heat pump video seems that at -7c(-14 windchill) the heatpump version is taking more W/mile, so heat-pump probably wouldn't be sufficiently powerful/versatile for use as a battery heating solution alone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSxpq-xUMY
from https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/lhx1ox/2021_model_3_heat_pump_cant_handle_the_cold/
video comparing id3/id4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eobUH8Jr6zs
interesting take, on taking mid/66 battery size option as best handling/weight/range option .... if you're id3 feels like it had the heft of an suv that would be disappointing.
from https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/lhx1ox/2021_model_3_heat_pump_cant_handle_the_cold/
video comparing id3/id4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eobUH8Jr6zs
interesting take, on taking mid/66 battery size option as best handling/weight/range option .... if you're id3 feels like it had the heft of an suv that would be disappointing.
I've been having a hunt for what Ford are doing EV wise. They have the Mach-E currently, I think they're doing/done EV transit and they're also currently working on an electric F-150 for the US market. I think for the Europe market their next thing is a Pump/Mini Mach-E version. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/...ild-new-mini-mustang-mach-e-electric-car-2023
But I think as VW and Ford are collaborating on EV, the Mini mach-e, whatever it's called will use the same basic unnderpinnings as the ID series. Obviously this could all change.