When are you going fully electric?

SDK^ said:
The recent OTA update didn't go too badly for Polestar. Also, there aren't many other car manufacturers being so transparent with their failures

Polestar update data
In the UK:
- 1055 deployed cars
- 89,81% successful installations
- 12 towed cars
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To be fair that is better than I'd expected from PS given the complexity of setting up such systems. The real test will be when VW do their first ID.3 OTA update, if they manage to do better I'd be surprised. After all these aren't technology companies, they are car manufacturers who buy in most of the tech.
 
That’s their problem though, it’s not really an acceptable excuse.

You don’t hear about Tesla’s having these issues and they regularly issue huge updates over the air and have done for years when they were a tiny company. Let’s be honest, at one point it would have been headline news every time it happened.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s their problem though, it’s not really an acceptable excuse.
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b0rn2sk8 said:
You don’t hear about Tesla’s having these issues and they regularly issue huge updates over the air and have done for years when they were a tiny company. Let’s be honest, at one point it would have been headline news every time it happened.
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Flip it round for Tesla though, everyone calls them a tech company not a car company, so they get loads of flak for fit and finish but their cars don't get bricked with OTA.

So you cemented my point, they aren't tech companies therefore they do the tech adequately/badly.
 
It's hard to measure on £ per mile as it depends how much your electricity costs. Also you would rarely charge from 0 to 100% (more often something like 20-80%) But as a rough guide:

Charge at home on an EV tariff overnight - Approx 2p per mile (Say 1.8p summer / 2.2p winter)
0-100% charge = £3.75

Using a supercharger - Approx 6p per mile (Say 5p summer / 7p winter)
0-100% charge = £17.25

This is based on "moderate" driving - as with any car you can get better or worse efficiency depending on your chosen driving style!
 
WJA96 said:
25-30,000 miles per year here. The Tesla’s are just better for your planning as they know how far you can go and what chargers are working and are likely to be available. Plus they charge pretty fast. And fixed price 23p/kW (from memory).

But the Tesla’s don’t do the range they promise. More like 85% on the motorway. So if you’re working on 330 miles and you’re charging to 80% at the first stop and you’re giving yourself a 20% buffer at the end your theoretical between charge range is 330 x 60% = 198 miles and if you’re on the motorway and keeping up with the traffic it’s really 170 miles.

So the reality is you drive 2 hours and charge for 25 minutes then do it again and again. So your 300 mile stint is going to be two stints - maybe 170 miles then 130 miles with a short (20-30 minute charging stop in between). You just learn to plan and to enjoy the stops.
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Appreciate the insight there, especially since your maths roughly lines up with mine - really helps put relative ranges in perspective :)
 
blun said:
It's hard to measure on £ per mile as it depends how much your electricity costs. Also you would rarely charge from 0 to 100% (more often something like 20-80%) But as a rough guide:

Charge at home on an EV tariff overnight - Approx 2p per mile (Say 1.8p summer / 2.2p winter)
0-100% charge = £3.75

Using a supercharger - Approx 6p per mile (Say 5p summer / 7p winter)
0-100% charge = £17.25

This is based on "moderate" driving - as with any car you can get better or worse efficiency depending on your chosen driving style!
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Those figures look low to me. Have you allowed for the inefficiency in the charging process?

A lot of people are shocked when they realise that it actually takes 82kW of electricity to charge their 74kW battery.

Tesla Superchargers seem to be about 90% efficient so for every 90kW in the car you actually pay for 100kW. So you need to factor that in. And then once you go above 80% you’re into Tier 2 charging so 0-100% is a lot more expensive. So Tesla 0-80% I reckon is £15.79 and Tesla 0-100% is £21.81 and you might be looking at wait fees at some popular Supercharger locations because they really want you off those chargers at 80%.

Tesla at home is slightly less efficient in my experience so for every 100kW in you get 88kW in the battery. And then it’s down to your electricity providers rates. For me 0-100% would cost 12.9p/kW flat (Scottish Power) and that would be £10.85. If I could get a 0-100% charge on a M3 Performance for £3.75 I’d be dancing.
 
Looks like Polestar are about to release some cheaper, smaller battery and lower spec versions of the Polestar 2.

My company salary sacrifice scheme now has Polestar 2 single motor with two battery options : 63 kWh and 78 kWh (224bhp and 231bhp)
Some other options :
- Standard textile interior trim
- Plus Pack : £4k, available with weave tech or leather (+ £4k) interior.
- Pilot Pack : £3k
- No Performance Pack option

There is also a new lower spec dual motor version, with the above options.

Costs
3 years, 10k miles pa, standard cars, insurance, tyres and maintenance included

Single motor
- 63kWh battery : £467 per month (248 mile range)
- 78kWh battery : £502 per month (316 mile range)

Dual motor 78kWh
- full spec current model : £602
- standard spec (no Plus or Pilot Pack and textile interior) : £524
 
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This is what you would lose without either pack though:

Pilot Assist.
Active blind spot detection.
Adaptive cruise control.
Cross Traffic Alert.
360-degree camera.
Pixel LED headlamps.
Glass roof.
Electrically adjustable front seats with memory function
Harman Kardon extensive audio system
Inductive charger,
Heated steering wheel,
Heated windscreen wipers,
Heated rear seat
WeaveTech
 
VincentHanna said:
This is what you would lose without either pack though:

Pilot Assist.
Active blind spot detection.
Adaptive cruise control.
Cross Traffic Alert.
360-degree camera.
Pixel LED headlamps.
Glass roof.
Electrically adjustable front seats with memory function
Harman Kardon extensive audio system
Inductive charger,
Heated steering wheel,
Heated windscreen wipers,
Heated rear seat
WeaveTech
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So most of the stuff that makes life worth living... I think I’d rather have my top-spec Kona than a basic PS2.
 
WJA96 said:
So most of the stuff that makes life worth living... I think I’d rather have my top-spec Kona than a basic PS2.
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Tbh anything that adds weight I would be happy see go if it saves a few £. Heated this that and the other (saves energy too) , electric seats for example, glass roof probably (assuming it's heavier).
 
DarrenM343 said:
Tbh anything that adds weight I would be happy see go if it saves a few £. Heated this that and the other (saves energy too) , electric seats for example, glass roof probably (assuming it's heavier).
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Heated seats improve efficiency (theoretically) as it takes less energy to heat your butt directly than to warm the air in the cabin.

And I'd never buy a car without a heated steering wheel again. Especially a 'premium' brand.
 
VincentHanna said:
This is what you would lose without either pack though:

Pilot Assist.
Active blind spot detection.
Adaptive cruise control.
Cross Traffic Alert.
360-degree camera.
Pixel LED headlamps.
Glass roof.
Electrically adjustable front seats with memory function
Harman Kardon extensive audio system
Inductive charger,
Heated steering wheel,
Heated windscreen wipers,
Heated rear seat
WeaveTech
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Without the packs the P2 basic spec is very low. I could do without the active, self driving and some other features but would defo want heated seats & steering wheel, pano roof and 360 Camera.

The pack option prices are decent value though - at £7k for both.
I looked at the Porsche site and the same option items for the Taycan, total £18k

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Yup, they know exactly what they are doing by putting the headlights, parking sensors and camera in one pack and all the heated stuff in the other.

Meaning if you want something with a reasonable spec you have to get everything.

Given how much these cars cost and are meant to be ‘premium’, to be removing things like parking sensors...
 
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