When are you going fully electric?

lordrobs said:
Looks like HGV's may well be the target of an ICE ban on new vehicles from 2040 (from 2035 for <26 ton HGVs) with overhead power cables being proposed for deployment over sections of the motorway network.

I still prefer my Scalextric style solution ;)

Seriously though, is this a viable solution? It seems to me it would need to be a European standard (at least) for it to be viable and well... we don't play as nicely with our European neighbours since we dropped out of the EU :p

The battery pack sizes in the proposals (I'm sure I saw 80kWh mentioned) seem VERY small to lug 44T around even if the idea is that the bulk of the miles will be done while the batteries are either getting topped up or the electricity is coming direct from the overhead lines. They are talking of having range extenders too so I guess that offsets the battery pack size somewhat but everything would need to be scaled so that it was suited to a fully laden truck going up hill which is going to require some effort to shift!
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The Netherlands are also starting to drive hydrogen fuelled fully articulated trucks.

https://www.h2-view.com/story/hydrogen-powered-truck-now-delivering-milk-in-the-netherlands/
 
‘Trolly bus’ style wiring on motorways seems overly ambitious and not fully thought out. Anyone ever has their train cancelled because a plastic bag got caught in the wires or they just seemly fell down? Yup, happens regularly and trains are a very tightly controlled environment. Now imagine the tail backs on the M1/M6 etc. when the live 400-800v cable comes crashing down on the live carriageway.

Most trucks don’t do really long runs and all truck drivers have mandatory breaks. Many of those do similar runs all the time. It seems logical to me that the BEV market will pick up most of this type of trucking and they’ll be charged when they are stopped for brakes or loading and unloading.
 
Alibaba99 said:
Do you mean PS/tonne or bhp/ton? Or do you like mixing imperial horsepower with the metric tonne?
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issue is, people know their car weight, and themselves, in metric, equally what 100/150/200 bhp feels like in an ICE
given the weight increase of ev's vs ice , say 1/3'd more , you need 200bhp for it to feel like 150bhp in an ice, for overtaking (where ev torque less omnipresent)
albeit you will still feel the ev weight for braking and handling.

Also miles, are the currency, in the UK , along with litres so you can estimate fuel cost, for a journey;
I suppose ownership pence per mile should really be adopted ?,
especially if you saw (newsnight or c4news? I forget) article on road taxing per mile to make up for the tax deficit of £37B from petrol (I didn't realise it was so much)


BMW has some serious competition for front grills -
jpaul said:
New hydrogen lorries now delivered in switzerland
so, they haven't gone for anything aerodynamic, like tesla proposals, but maybe more economic to re-use current platform,
I like the grill carryover from their H car.

Hyundai XCIENT is the World's First Fuel Cell Heavy Duty Truck

or, burnt orange paint scheme https://youtu.be/-4Dr1QdM2mI?t=40
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jpaul said:
issue is, people know their car weight, and themselves, in metric, equally what 100/150/200 bhp feels like in an ICE
given the weight increase of ev's vs ice , say 1/3'd more , you need 200bhp for it to feel like 150bhp in an ice, for overtaking (where ev torque less omnipresent)
albeit you will still feel the ev weight for braking and handling.

Also miles, are the currency, in the UK , along with litres so you can estimate fuel cost, for a journey;
I suppose ownership pence per mile should really be adopted ?,
especially if you saw (newsnight or c4news? I forget) article on road taxing per mile to make up for the tax deficit of £37B from petrol (I didn't realise it was so much)


BMW has some serious competition for front grills -
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Whoosh completely missed the point.
 
jpaul said:
issue is, people know their car weight, and themselves, in metric, equally what 100/150/200 bhp feels like in an ICE
given the weight increase of ev's vs ice , say 1/3'd more , you need 200bhp for it to feel like 150bhp in an ice, for overtaking (where ev torque less omnipresent)
albeit you will still feel the ev weight for braking and handling.

Also miles, are the currency, in the UK , along with litres so you can estimate fuel cost, for a journey;
I suppose ownership pence per mile should really be adopted ?,
especially if you saw (newsnight or c4news? I forget) article on road taxing per mile to make up for the tax deficit of £37B from petrol (I didn't realise it was so much)


BMW has some serious competition for front grills -
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200 to make it feel 150? What codswallop is this? :cry:
 
Before I proceed with Octopus Go, I am pretty sure I've exhausted all options but to double check is there anyone offering anything cheaper than £0.25 per day charge, £0.15kwh peak?

So far I think these work out considerably cheaper even without taking the £50 credit into consideration.
 
GinG said:
Before I proceed with Octopus Go, I am pretty sure I've exhausted all options but to double check is there anyone offering anything cheaper than £0.25 per day charge, £0.15kwh peak?

So far I think these work out considerably cheaper even without taking the £50 credit into consideration.
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Go into the energy switching thread, 25p/day+15p/KWH isnt particularly cheap. This is regional, but the lowest in Oxfordshire for example are around 12p/day+12p/KWH.
 
GinG said:
Before I proceed with Octopus Go, I am pretty sure I've exhausted all options but to double check is there anyone offering anything cheaper than £0.25 per day charge, £0.15kwh peak?
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You'll need to account for how much energy you are looking at putting in the car vs normal use, if it were 1:1 (unlikely) so 100kWh peak, and also 100kWh off-peak then your average cost per unit is 10p, which is hard to beat. Have you worked out roughly how much you are using per week? Don't forget this will increase a lot for the car in the colder months as the efficiency drops off.
 
If you don’t know what your car energy usage is, then I’d start with 4miles per Khw for something reasonable efficient and go from there, it will probably be less with charging losses and pre heating or you drive something not so efficient.
 
Indeed, My house uses 11-14kWh a day then EV in 5 hours i shoves in 35kWh @5.5p. Obviously not everynight, but nice the dishwasher etc is far more manageable on Go Faster as off peak starts 8:30pm. My off is 13.4p

Squidward said:
Any 600bhp plus electric hatchbacks on the horizon?
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Taycan CrossTourismo about the only one? Model S technically is a hatch and P100D exceeds that.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
If you don’t know what your car energy usage is, then I’d start with 4miles per Khw for something reasonable efficient and go from there, it will probably be less with charging losses and pre heating or you drive something not so efficient.
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Don't forget charging losses. Some AC are sub 90% efficient.
 
Jez said:
Go into the energy switching thread, 25p/day+15p/KWH isnt particularly cheap. This is regional, but the lowest in Oxfordshire for example are around 12p/day+12p/KWH.
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It's just my area I think. Currently with Avro and paying £0.175 day and £0.175kw rate.

Ive worked out on octopus by switching I'd save around £30 a month alone. This is without the car charging.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
‘Trolly bus’ style wiring on motorways seems overly ambitious and not fully thought out. Anyone ever has their train cancelled because a plastic bag got caught in the wires or they just seemly fell down? Yup, happens regularly and trains are a very tightly controlled environment. Now imagine the tail backs on the M1/M6 etc. when the live 400-800v cable comes crashing down on the live carriageway.

Most trucks don’t do really long runs and all truck drivers have mandatory breaks. Many of those do similar runs all the time. It seems logical to me that the BEV market will pick up most of this type of trucking and they’ll be charged when they are stopped for brakes or loading and unloading.
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Works well on Trolley buses around cities in other countries to be fair.
 
Joe T said:
Some folks in the US are starting to use MPGe which at least gives a comparable figure. Could be worth checking out. :)
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But please don’t start quoting it here because a US gallon is different to a U.K. one!

I know some Americans and they have asked me how we made our cars so efficient. :p

Simon said:
Works well on Trolley buses around cities in other countries to be fair.
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They do but they are only used by trolly busses and not any person with a lorry.

Those vehicles travel at low speed on fixed routes and don’t need to leave and join the network at every junction.
 
Jez said:
Go into the energy switching thread
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the online comparison systems are pretty rubbish for ev energy price-ups ? even the dedicated ev one
I had wondered if you could get some quotes for the shell genie tarifs where you might offset the higher, than octopus, overnight rate, but, larger window,
by simulating adding some tumble dryer/washing machine consumption into the same overnight slot, but the qoute systems are too simplistic.
 
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