When are you going fully electric?

IronSpider · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:15

steve5424 said:
Well they are the official measurements, so you can't be right in your claims that the Jazz is bigger.

Well no, the 2010 Jazz had a 399 litre boot. As I said I didn't know or measure compared to the newer Jazz models. Either way for as 30k plus SUV the Kona boot is pathetic in my opinion for a family.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback-2007-2015/review/practicality

IronSpider · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:15

Kenai said:
The older Jazz was bigger, 399 litres, if that's what he was comparing with.

I was

and yes you are right the 2010 model I compared was 399 litres.

chanjy · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:18

IronSpider said:
Well no, the 2010 Jazz had a 354 litre boot. As I said I didn't know or measure compared to the newer Jazz models. Either way for as 30k plus SUV the Kona boot is pathetic in my opinion for a family.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/149830/practicality

You probably need an e-niro.

The Kona boot is small but at the same time many people manage with a Polo or Fiesta which is similar

steve5424 · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:21

IronSpider said:
Well no, the 2010 Jazz had a 399 litre boot. As I said I didn't know or measure compared to the newer Jazz models. Either way for as 30k plus SUV the Kona boot is pathetic in my opinion for a family.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback-2007-2015/review/practicality

Well you cant really compare the original model over 10 yrs old with a new car. The newer Jazz is more appropriate to compare with.

DarrenM343 · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:37

SDK^ said:
The Model Y is a hatchback yet we still wait for it.

They're probably still trying to sort the suspension out for UK roads

. I prefer the look of the Y over the M3 but so far just looks like an overly harsh ride for a small family SUV. Even that Bjorn guy was grunting and groaning I noticed when going over bumps in his first or one of his first days of pottering around in one.

On another note, anyone ordering a BMW iX? That looks awesome but X5 in size

. Quiet at speed with just single glazed windows I think. Legacy manufacturers know how to put a good car together. Lots of tech and more software coming over the air in future inclduing for self driving if I heard correctly

SDK^ · 11 Oct 2021 at 14:56

DarrenM343 said:
On another note, anyone ordering a BMW iX? That looks awesome but X5 in size . Quiet at speed with just single glazed windows I think. Legacy manufacturers know how to put a good car together. Lots of tech and more software coming over the air in future inclduing for self driving if I heard correctly

I liked the iX then saw the spec and price of the i4 M50.
Double glazed windows reduce wind noise a little but do nothing to reduce the Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) from the road. Tesla only fit double to the front windows, feels more like a marketing gimmick for the Youtubers to put out content.

DarrenM343 · 11 Oct 2021 at 15:05

Double glazed windows just adds weight too.
iX, yep expensive and understandably so - lots of carbon in use again and seems to be comparable on price to the ModX I think. That interior is something else.Too big for what I'd ever need and I wouldn't want to pay that money either. Not really that keen on the i4 for some reason so far, but will be good to see how it compares with the Mod3/Polstar etc as an overall package

Nasher · 11 Oct 2021 at 15:34

IX is so ugly. Why would anyone pay money for that face.

jpaul · 11 Oct 2021 at 15:59

Greebo said:
Yeah I have always thought this to be a con and disadvantages anything with a low roof or sloping roof.

need a database that supermposes the boot measurements on a picture - Thomas usually measures them so autogefeul should publish a database,
unfortunately people who sell boot matts don't seem to print the sizes.

DarrenM343 said:
so far just looks like an overly harsh ride for a small family

which is what Thomas had said too, like M3, but given that they are lighter(like ICES) than bev-competition it seems unexpected, and I've never seen a suspension comparison;
the adaptive on the id-3 discussed a few pages back sounds a good solution.

b0rn2sk8 · 11 Oct 2021 at 19:28

I really doubt the Tesla hatch back will be £25k either, £25k+VAT+some more for the lols sounds more like the real price.

Also add Elon time to the release date, I’d doubt we will see anything before 2026, as others have said, we don’t even have the model Y yet and they have a truck, roaster and artic to build before then.

kitkat9933 · 11 Oct 2021 at 20:02

SDK^ said:
I liked the iX then saw the spec and price of the i4 M50.
Double glazed windows reduce wind noise a little but do nothing to reduce the Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) from the road. Tesla only fit double to the front windows, feels more like a marketing gimmick for the Youtubers to put out content.

Pretty sure all Models now have double paned glass. Model 3 and Y had it first and now S + X since refresh.

jpaul · 12 Oct 2021 at 11:23

jpaul said:
which is what Thomas had said too, like M3, but given that they are lighter(like ICES) than bev-competition it seems unexpected, and I've never seen a suspension comparison;
the adaptive on the id-3 discussed a few pages back sounds a good solution.

id 3 on nurburgring , interesting thst he attributes brake near loss to the non-defeatable DCC/adaptives, also says vw are coming out with a hot hatch ev too.
less complimentary - My VW Id.3 lost almost 10% battery in 1 year I suppose many are at their first birthday, 22KKm though.

Kenai · 12 Oct 2021 at 11:57

jpaul said:
non-defeatable DCC/adaptives

Out of interest, in what way do you 'defeat' adaptive suspension?

DarrenM343 · 12 Oct 2021 at 12:12

jpaul said:
id 3 on nurburgring , interesting thst he attributes brake near loss to the non-defeatable DCC/adaptives, also says vw are coming out with a hot hatch ev too.
less complimentary - My VW Id.3 lost almost 10% battery in 1 year I suppose many are at their first birthday, 22KKm though.

That's too much fast charging I think

. Would be good to see battery quality comparisons over a long period and slow vs fast charging - little seems to be known about them considering how crucial they're going to be for the longevity of an EV.

jpaul · 12 Oct 2021 at 12:20

Kenai said:
Out of interest, in what way do you 'defeat' adaptive suspension?

I thought adaptives and dcc in the id3 were synonymous, hence I slashed the word adaptives,
but, yes, I don't know if the adaptives are controlled/overridden in DCC situations, but it would seem useful (maybe they don't respond fast enough though)

Kenai · 12 Oct 2021 at 12:33

jpaul said:
I thought adaptives and dcc in the id3 were synonymous, hence I slashed the word adaptives,
but, yes, I don't know if the adaptives are controlled/overridden in DCC situations, but it would seem useful (maybe they don't respond fast enough though)

DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control) is the name for adaptive suspension in VW cars, yes.

I'm not sure what is achieved or meant by 'defeating' the ability to change the damping via the adaptive dampers?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'DCC situations' either?

sparkymark75 · 12 Oct 2021 at 13:33

jpaul said:
id 3 on nurburgring , interesting thst he attributes brake near loss to the non-defeatable DCC/adaptives, also says vw are coming out with a hot hatch ev too.
less complimentary - My VW Id.3 lost almost 10% battery in 1 year I suppose many are at their first birthday, 22KKm though.

I'm sure I read that the majority of the EV battery loss occurs in the first couple of years, after that, it tails off.

jpaul · 12 Oct 2021 at 17:58

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Kenai said:

'.....DCC situations'

Click to expand...

DCC situations = driving scenarios where dcc/nanny cuts in, taking control;
eg .for nurburg video guy, an expert would be able to have more fun if both the dcc control of the dampers and brakes could be disabled/defeated and he could let the car over/under steer, or slide, and, at all counts, avoid loosing, the over-heating brakes.
]

Kenai · 12 Oct 2021 at 19:29

jpaul said:
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DCC situations = driving scenarios where dcc/nanny cuts in, taking control;
eg .for nurburg video guy, an expert would be able to have more fun if both the dcc control of the dampers and brakes could be disabled/defeated and he could let the car over/under steer, or slide, and, at all counts, avoid loosing, the over-heating brakes.
]

DCC just sets the suspension damping to comfort (soft) or sport (hard) (or inbetween).

It doesn't 'cut in' or 'take control' of anything.

DCC doesn't do anything to the brakes.

I think you (or he) is getting confused with ESP.

jpaul · 12 Oct 2021 at 21:50

Kenai said:
I think you (or he) is getting confused with ESP.

google is your friend eg. https://www.seat.com/car-terms/d/dcc.html
the suspension is modified dynamically as a function of pitch and roll
maybe you can find a more detailed VW explanation