When are you going fully electric?

b0rn2sk8 said:
Most people want to drive round in more powerful ICE car. Granted not always enough power to do 0-60 in 3 seconds but certainly more than 110hp you get in an average car. The issue is that the mainstream prioritise efficiency (and therefore cost) over power because they are mutually exclusive with ICE where more powerful cars nearly always cost significantly more to run.
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Yes, that - you want something that, fully laden with family feels like when you are alone, without draining the fuel tank,
and ... car enthousiasts put more priority on handling don't they/we? - which presents the dilema/compromise of battery weight if you select an ev.
 
Well Top Gear had the Model 3 performance beating a BMW M3 around the track. So handling does not need to be compromised. Well unless you exclude acceleration from 'handling'...
 
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delta0 said:
Tesla has created that USP for EVs. So now everyone expects EVs that go as quick and have as much range. Really how no one else is keeping up with Tesla after all this time is a bit shocking.
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The only i4 M50 range tests I have seen are on the much wider tyres and it gets about 198 motorway miles in winter. The Tesla with thinner tyres got 243 miles on the same test (218 miles with preheating for supercharging). You can choose 18" or 19" alloys on the i4 to get an extra 30-40 miles of range putting the i4 M50 within touching distance of an M3P for real world range.

Obvioulsy you can go down the wheel sizes on the Tesla but plenty of contemprary (like for like) EVs are within 15% efficiency and range of Tesla. So I don't agree that nobody has got close to Tesla after all this time. Maybe the other EV makers just need to copy Tesla and use bricks for suspension, will that help efficiency? :)
 
ICDP said:
The only i4 M50 range tests I have seen are on the much wider tyres and it gets about 198 motorway miles in winter. The Tesla with thinner tyres got 243 miles on the same test (218 miles with preheating for supercharging). You can choose 18" or 19" alloys on the i4 to get an extra 30-40 miles of range putting the i4 M50 within touching distance of an M3P for real world range.

Obvioulsy you can go down the wheel sizes on the Tesla but plenty of contemprary (like for like) EVs are within 15% efficiency and range of Tesla. So I don't agree that nobody has got close to Tesla after all this time. Maybe the other EV makers just need to copy Tesla and use bricks for suspension, will that help efficiency? :)
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I noticed that as well. They put the grippier and wider tyres on, they come with the 20” wheels, to do the many drag races we have seen with the Model 3P. I would be really curious to see what the range is with the 19”. In other cars it has made about 20-30 miles difference. If that i40 M50 can pull out some numbers close to 280-300 miles on a motorway in the summer that would be very interesting.
 
chroniclard said:
Not compared spec exactly but looks like an M50 would be around £68k(with a few options) and the Tesla M3P £60K. Add any of the automated stuff to the Tesla the gap soon closes.
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Basing it on a Model 3 Long Range. Can then just add acceleration boost for £1500 and you're a lot of the way there. Neither i4 option really compares, but then I guess I'm maybe wanting something inbetween the two i4 options that doesn't exist yet.

Important bits I'd want are lumbar support, electric memory seats, upgraded sound system, surround cameras with dashcam functionality, radar cruise control/lane keep assist and a pano roof. You get all that with the Tesla without needing to pay for anything over the included autopilot.

I'd much sooner take the BMW with iDrive 8 over the Tesla's infotainment any day of the week, as well as the more practical hatch boot. It's just not cost effective for me personally, which is a shame.
 
chroniclard said:
Not compared spec exactly but looks like an M50 would be around £68k(with a few options) and the Tesla M3P £60K. Add any of the automated stuff to the Tesla the gap soon closes.
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Also the price of the M50 includes any of the metallic exterior colours and leather colour choices.
Once you add a colour and white interior options to the Tesla that adds up to £3.2k to the price.
 
My Kona is only 150kW (~200bhp) but feels fantastically fast below 50 - 395Nm of instant torque definitely helps (except when it's not perfectly bone dry and the chassis is built for 70/30 front-engine weight, but is now closer to 55/45 with bags more power and therefore just spins the wheels :p ) . More than enough for the vast majority of people.
 
SDK^ said:
Also the price of the M50 includes any of the metallic exterior colours and leather colour choices.
Once you add a colour and white interior options to the Tesla that adds up to £3.2k to the price.
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Colour. All cars cost extra for colours but I'll bite.. and say that's a fair argument but who in their right mind adds white leather as a deal breaker? :p
 
In other news, more charging being put in place in obviously sensible places. I fully predict almost a race to install chargers faster than the next person/company to attract users/shoppers, just like the supermarkets did with petrol stations.

"Osprey Charging has announced a partnership with real estate company Ediston to install rapid electric vehicle (EV) charging across its portfolio of retail warehouse sites in the UK. The partnership will open up rapid destination charging to customers visiting major retail brands such as Aldi, The Food Warehouse and Costa.

Each of an initial 10 sites will host up to six high powered 75kW chargers, capable of adding 100 miles in as little as ten minutes. The charging sites will utilise Tritium 75kW chargers. Further sites are expected to go into construction throughout 2022, and further charging locations added to the partnership, in line with Ediston’s expected acquisition of retail parks."
"Graham Lind, head of retail warehouse asset management at Ediston, said: “On-site EV charging at retail parks will soon become an essential offering and customers will expect to be able to charge their vehicles wherever they shop and our tenants will expect us to provide the infrastructure which enables them to do so."
 
Is the cost of colours declining, so shouldn't be a premium, as they can be done with just 2 layers in a modern paint shop(base & clear) - aren't tesla updating their machines.
I forget which video I saw, maybe e-tron fastback production, but the automatic paint spraying was swapping colours on the production line seemlessly.

https://ospreycharging.co.uk/the-osprey-charging-app/ -> 40pkw/h
whilst they are free, people will be fighting for lower powered chargers at Tescos
 
EVH said:
Colour. All cars cost extra for colours but I'll bite.. and say that's a fair argument but who in their right mind adds white leather as a deal breaker? :p
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Not true. On the top level trim on the Mini Electric all colours are free. Where as on the base most are extra. Mid level some are free.
 
steve5424 said:
Not true. On the top level trim on the Mini Electric all colours are free. Where as on the base most are extra. Mid level some are free.
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Included in the price of the higher spec models is probably a more accurate term than 'free'.

Or if you are a miserable, glass half empty, sort of person like me you could look at it as - you're paying for an optional colour whether you want it or not.
 
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