When are you going fully electric?

Nasher said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ricing-transport-committee-mps-electric-shift

Still want that new, internet connected car which can be updated over the air? :p
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You know this would apply to your dinosaur juice car as well right, probably on top of fuel duty for food measure.

A far cheaper and easier thing to administer would be to load it all into VED, charge cars with higher consumption more VED. Making a fairly average car that gets 50mpg £500 VED would offset all the fuel duty for a fairly average 8,000 miles. Seems fair to me and far cheaper to manage than any 'smart' road pricing schemes. (£1.50/litre = 58p fuel duty, 50mpg = 11miles per litre, 8000/11*0.58 = £475)

You could vary the charge based on consumption or value and charge an VW Up £400 and a V8 Range Rover £2000, apply the same to the electric equivalents and keep fuel duty to please Nasher.
 
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I assume the articles going to discuss ability to track via your connected car, the miles you've done, and then make a road usage charge;
but for both ICE and EV, just tracking miles done either from MOT or at point of vehicle sale/handover, and then giving you a cabon + road-usage(wear&tear) bill sounds easier to implement.

Vintage electric tv programme this week put a tesla motor into a de'lorean.
 
I don't think they will bother doing it retroactively and just wait for old cars to fade away, as it would be a massive headache and unreliable trying to do it via GPS boxes.

It's easy for them to alter the firmware on most of the EVs and turn on tracking, even older ones, they are part of the "internet of things". Not so easy on an old petrol/diesel car and it would be wide open to tempering.
 
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Nasher said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ricing-transport-committee-mps-electric-shift

Still want that new, internet connected car which can be updated over the air? :p
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This combined with the shift of demand is gonna negate one of the main selling points of electric cars.

It's gonna be few years but main electricity demand is going to slowly move from day time to late afternoon and overnight. Especially with the ban on gas boilers coming into effect.

Probably best to get some solar and a large battery so you can reduce your grid energy usage.
 
Nasher said:
I don't think they will bother doing it retroactively and just wait for old cars to fade away, as it would be a massive headache and unreliable trying to do it via GPS boxes.

It's easy for them to alter the firmware on most of the EVs and turn on tracking, even older ones, they are part of the "internet of things". Not so easy on an old petrol/diesel car and it would be wide open to tempering.
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By the time something like this comes into effect old fashioned cars are not likely to be viable anyway as half or more of the patrol stations will possibly shut down. As EV's get more popular the use of patrol stations will drop causing them to shut as profits fall below sustainable levels. I expect this will turn into a chain reaction as it gets harder to get fuel more people will drop old fashioned cars leading to more patrol stations shutting/converting, leading to even more people dropping old fashioned cars. That and as more people try EV's and see how much more fun to drive and better they are then ICE cars there will be an speed up of people abandoning old fashioned boring ICE cars.

Long term I can see supermarkets closing patrol stations and converting half or more of the parking spaces into EV slots.
 
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Simon said:
If half the fuel stations disappeared overnight it would hardly cause issues.

fun? EV? Nah
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Changing the fuel from E5 to E10 caused chaos. With society getting back to normal I’m not sure it could tolerate so many station closures. The chip shortage also means even if people wanted to switch to electric they couldn’t easily for a long time. VW, BMW etc. have their order books filled for the entire year already.

EVs do lack driver experience beyond the hilarity of the acceleration. I hope with Lotus releasing their electric vehicles starting very soon this year we start to see some better vehicles.
 
RoboCod said:
Yes, and I'm happy for you to subsidise it with your massively taxed petroleum :p
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EVs are going to be just as expensive to run, that is the plan.

Instead of extortionate fuel prices you'll be paying extortionate charging or per mile prices. Probably both in the end, because they eventually want to force people on to the extortionate and rubbish public transport.
 
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Yep we are still so far off it's comical. They are never going to make things ready by 2030 to truely replace ICE. You can see the disaster coming from 8 years away.

I suspect they have set this psudo deadline to shut Gretta up, knowing they will be long out of office. They are dumping the problem on the next government, probably Labour.
 
Nasher said:
EVs are going to be just as expensive to run, that is the plan.

Instead of extortionate fuel prices you'll be paying extortionate charging or per mile prices. Probably both in the end, because they eventually want to force people on to the extortionate and rubbish public transport.
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You will work in your pod, eat your bugs, own nothing and be happy. Private transportation for approved Party members only.
 
delta0 said:
Changing the fuel from E5 to E10 caused chaos. With society getting back to normal I’m not sure it could tolerate so many station closures. The chip shortage also means even if people wanted to switch to electric they couldn’t easily for a long time. VW, BMW etc. have their order books filled for the entire year already.

EVs do lack driver experience beyond the hilarity of the acceleration. I hope with Lotus releasing their electric vehicles starting very soon this year we start to see some better vehicles.
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And they will likely be insanely expensive. There is no way they will be able to make lightweight EVs either.
 
Nasher said:
And they will likely be insanely expensive. There is no way they will be able to make lightweight EVs either.
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Most people just want a car to drive to the shops and work, not lap the Nurburgring with a new fastest lap.
Also, Bill Gates once said "640K ought to be enough for anybody.", your post feels like another one of those fails….. but less famous :p
 
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