When are you going fully electric?

Journey said:
In other news, more charging being put in place in obviously sensible places. I fully predict almost a race to install chargers faster than the next person/company to attract users/shoppers, just like the supermarkets did with petrol stations.

"Osprey Charging has announced a partnership with real estate company Ediston to install rapid electric vehicle (EV) charging across its portfolio of retail warehouse sites in the UK. The partnership will open up rapid destination charging to customers visiting major retail brands such as Aldi, The Food Warehouse and Costa.

Each of an initial 10 sites will host up to six high powered 75kW chargers, capable of adding 100 miles in as little as ten minutes. The charging sites will utilise Tritium 75kW chargers. Further sites are expected to go into construction throughout 2022, and further charging locations added to the partnership, in line with Ediston’s expected acquisition of retail parks."
"Graham Lind, head of retail warehouse asset management at Ediston, said: “On-site EV charging at retail parks will soon become an essential offering and customers will expect to be able to charge their vehicles wherever they shop and our tenants will expect us to provide the infrastructure which enables them to do so."
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The new Osprey Kempower units are in final testing phase at Banbury. 6 posts I think from a dynamic power module bank which is much better than a dedicated chargers per bay.

Those 75kW seem a nice compromise for bulk of cars on a retail environment.
 
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jpaul said:
Is the cost of colours declining, so shouldn't be a premium, as they can be done with just 2 layers in a modern paint shop(base & clear) - aren't tesla updating their machines.
I forget which video I saw, maybe e-tron fastback production, but the automatic paint spraying was swapping colours on the production line seemlessly.
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No, Audi invested in a decent paintshop and lever the options to generate revenue in a typical fashion.

The paint will still cost more and you want to be able to offer customer a way to upgrade their car.

Tesla inhereted a pretty crummy paintshop at Fremont and didnt invest to the same extent.
 
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Journey said:
In other news, more charging being put in place in obviously sensible places. I fully predict almost a race to install chargers faster than the next person/company to attract users/shoppers, just like the supermarkets did with petrol stations.

"Osprey Charging has announced a partnership with real estate company Ediston to install rapid electric vehicle (EV) charging across its portfolio of retail warehouse sites in the UK. The partnership will open up rapid destination charging to customers visiting major retail brands such as Aldi, The Food Warehouse and Costa.

Each of an initial 10 sites will host up to six high powered 75kW chargers, capable of adding 100 miles in as little as ten minutes. The charging sites will utilise Tritium 75kW chargers. Further sites are expected to go into construction throughout 2022, and further charging locations added to the partnership, in line with Ediston’s expected acquisition of retail parks."
"Graham Lind, head of retail warehouse asset management at Ediston, said: “On-site EV charging at retail parks will soon become an essential offering and customers will expect to be able to charge their vehicles wherever they shop and our tenants will expect us to provide the infrastructure which enables them to do so."
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Theres going to have to be massive investment in infrastructure thats for sure and I just don't see it, as usual with our govt it will be a case of too little too late every street where its possible to park theres a vehicle and the car park round the back of buildings here are full and theres not a charging point for miles. Running a cable out the window across the grass across the pavement just isn't an option even if I could park outside my place which is highly unlikely. Unless theres a point every couple of yards or a mass charging pool I can foresee fights in future over who gets a charge point.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Theres going to have to be massive investment in infrastructure thats for sure and I just don't see it, as usual with our govt it will be a case of too little too late every street where its possible to park theres a vehicle and the car park round the back of buildings here are full and theres not a charging point for miles. Running a cable out the window across the grass across the pavement just isn't an option even if I could park outside my place which is highly unlikely. Unless theres a point every couple of yards or a mass charging pool I can foresee fights in future over who gets a charge point.
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But what’s that got to do with the government? The government don’t fund petrol stations now, why should they find charge points in the future?

Nearly all of this investment is private, BP make nearly as much money from a car charge as they do a tank of fuel now. The business fundamentals are already strong.

Really it all comes down to log jams in local planning and DNO processes. That’s not really the responsibility of central government.

Likewise most people can charge and will continue to charge at home. The public charging network only needs to service those who are away from home or don’t have off street parking. That is by far the minority of miles driven compared to the fossil fuel network that needs to accommodate all miles driven.
 
MFG are the ones doing it properly in my view so far, covered, 8 at a time at locations with facilities. The new one in Filton is great for trips to the South West, good with backup at Mollies (Gridserve) and McDonalds InstaVolt. Cribbs is a bit of a hub now.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
But what’s that got to do with the government? The government don’t fund petrol stations now, why should they find charge points in the future?
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Because they've decided to get involved by banning the sale of the alternatives by a certain point in time.

Either leave it to the market or don't.
 
Imagine if the Gov never got involved in things and just let the market decide, there'd be asbestos in buildings, CFC's in appliances and heck knows what else. A market is interested only in making money, not protecting humans.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Because they've decided to get involved by banning the sale of the alternatives by a certain point in time.

Either leave it to the market or don't.
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Journey said:
Imagine if the Gov never got involved in things and just let the market decide, there'd be asbestos in buildings, CFC's in appliances and heck knows what else. A market is interested only in making money, not protecting humans.
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I didn't say no government involvement, I said government funding. Clearly they need to regulate the markets so it protects the interests of those with less power.

The point I was responding to was the suggestion that the government should be setting up a charge network on every street in the country which isn't either necessary, cost effective or realistic. The government doesn't need to invest in any mainstream charging solutions anymore as the business fundamentals are already strong enough for private investment to do what private investment does.

e.g. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...chargers-almost-profitable-fuel-pumps-says-bp

We are well past the tipping point now where governments can pull back measures to increase adoption apart from the hardest to reach areas.

And in reality, the government is actually investing and throwing a bunch of money at those hard to reach places, e.g. flats and the rental sector. Like I said, the main issue with the charge network isn't the government, its the projects where are being deployed getting bogged down in planning and DNO delays which pushes up the cost and the time lag to get them switched on.

I don't for a moment think we don't need more and what's already out there needs work in terms of maintenance and payment options, clearly the public networks need to do better. It just isn't something the government needs to spend a load of public money on. The things they could do is push the DNO's get a wiggle on or make some planning changes to speed up that process but that about it really.

On a more interesting note, those new Kempower chargers look very interesting and seems like a much better way of doing things. I've not used one yet but I'll keep an eye out for one when I am out and about.
 
with more charge stations that should enforce price parity(ish) like we have for petrol stations, just a few pence more on motorways
- but maybe government will need to ensure no cartels.
 
Brace yourself for this :

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SDK^ said:
Yep - I’m looking at that now. Trying to work out their gas rates.
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I'm with Octopus right now and switched over to Go for electricity ahead of a Hyundai Kona arriving here soon.

Our fixed gas tariff expired and they moved us to the flexible tariff.

3.96p/kWh and standing charge of 26.11p. We're in the Central Belt of Scotland so in the South Scotland electricity region.

Depending on what happens with wholesale price I might see about switching to Octopus Tracker for a bit to see if that's any good. Meanwhile Octopus Go for electricity continues onwards.
 
Journey said:
Has anyone used the chargers in Westgate Oxford? Are they still free, and how busy were they like 20 from 50 used, or more?
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Yes. I was there on a Saturday afternoon in January, arrived about 16:15, all but one were occupied and about 1/3 were ICED (seeming no enforcement of that). There seemed to be some people coming and going so you may get lucky if they are all full. They are free to use and I got the full 7kw so it completely offset my parking costs, zap map suggested a few are 22kw.

They are all in the same place in the carpark and they are on the concreate pillars. The carpark is laid out in the normal way having three spaces between each pillar. You need to be in the outer spaces to reach the plugs.

It was a bit of a fath to get it going, zap map suggests it needs any RFID card to start but I just don't think I plugged it in first time properly. I re-plugged both ends and it started working.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Yes. I was there on a Saturday afternoon in January, arrived about 16:15, all but one were occupied and about 1/3 were ICED (seeming no enforcement of that). There seemed to be some people coming and going so you may get lucky if they are all full. They are free to use and I got the full 7kw so it completely offset my parking costs.

They are all in the same place in the carpark and they are on the concreate pillars. The carpark is laid out in the normal way having three spaces between each pillar. You need to be in the outer spaces to reach the plugs.

It was a bit of a fath to get it going, zap map suggests it needs any RFID card to start but I just don't think I plugged it in first time properly. I re-plugged both ends and it started working.
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Thanks for that, I just doubled checked and they are free-vend with no activation needed now, so that is all good. :)

Hopefully they won't be too full middle of the week when I might be around that way. I do wonder when more places will offer these bulk charging options in city centres. Places like the Bullring in B'ham have acres of car parking they could do this with.
 
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