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It also effects the EPA ratings aswell in terms of the “sticker mileage”
When are you going fully electric?
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It also effects the EPA ratings aswell in terms of the “sticker mileage”
In my quest to get myself into a new car quicker and shift from PHEV to full EV, tried out an EQC today, with reviews suggesting it treads a more comfort biased line I was expecting big things, while as a package the car felt pretty good, nice interior, nice screens etc and good seats, I don't think I have been in a car with a less comfortable comfort setting, driving around the streets of Bristol I felt like some sort of demented bobble head and I barely cracked 30, having driven about in an xc60 with 22s and been impressed, I was expecting the EQC with 20s to feel like a limo but somehow it was worse.
I guess because these thing are quick and heavy they have tuned the suspension accordingly but we just want to waft about not feeling anything in the family car, no pretentions for sportiness needed this was clearly soft hence the wobbling about, impacts felt firm but the dampers didn't seem to try and control it in anyway weird, no setting in the Dynamics seemed to alter the suspension in anyway.
This won't do for us, shame as I could live with most other aspects and quite liked it otherwise. So the quest continues.
I guess because these thing are quick and heavy they have tuned the suspension accordingly but we just want to waft about not feeling anything in the family car, no pretentions for sportiness needed this was clearly soft hence the wobbling about, impacts felt firm but the dampers didn't seem to try and control it in anyway weird, no setting in the Dynamics seemed to alter the suspension in anyway.
This won't do for us, shame as I could live with most other aspects and quite liked it otherwise. So the quest continues.
To be honest, even then I wouldn’t want to be going and ‘lower’ than something like a Corsa-e, current gen Zoe or something like that as a main car.
Older BEVs which are not Tesla’s just don’t really cut it for anything other than a local run around/2nd car. So yeh at the current rate or really is going to be awhile.
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I could be as long as 8-10 years to see decent cars under £10k, by which time the people waiting could have spent £11.6k+ on fuel doing the average 8k per year at 50mpg, over those 8 years, assuming no changes in fuel prices in that time. Running ICE is like having a fixed outgoing without the upfront debt attached to you right now, and for people with a drive who do that sort of average mileage, I'm not sure why they'd hold out much longer if its just a commuter/everyday vehicle.
This is the issue. The tech is moving so fast some of the older stuff (think leaf) isn't great.
So you're constantly into the higher used costs.
Agree if you're commuting. If you're not it's much much harder to justify.
If I was commuting I'd have one already.
I can certainly see your logic here.
I easily do 12k+ a year. I like the idea of an EV, but can’t justify the original outlay to buy one. Don’t want that level debt. Will have to wait until they come down to reasonable second hand prices. I am thinking of moving over a hybrid next year as a stop gap.
I did say to the wife, if diesel prices keep going up and it gets to the point when the amount I am spending on fuel each month. Is the same as HP/PCP a month for a decent EV I may have to seriously consider the move.
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I think a few years ago I'd hoped that I might be able to go for an electric car around now, on the basis that prices would have come down. Unfortunately ev's are still far too expensive, and going used doesn't really help that much.
I don't do enough miles that the petrol vs electric cost is that big a draw, particularly now that electricity prices have risen so much.
I had hoped for a while that something like a dacia spring would be available to share between my partner and I as a local runabout while keeping an ice car for long distance, but sadly that doesn't seem to be happening.
A citroen Ami is certainly in budget, but for something so limited the price is just too high imo. Might be useful for some things, but not being able to fit 2 people + shopping or 2 people + a properly secured dog would limit its actual usefulness a bit.
I don't do enough miles that the petrol vs electric cost is that big a draw, particularly now that electricity prices have risen so much.
I had hoped for a while that something like a dacia spring would be available to share between my partner and I as a local runabout while keeping an ice car for long distance, but sadly that doesn't seem to be happening.
A citroen Ami is certainly in budget, but for something so limited the price is just too high imo. Might be useful for some things, but not being able to fit 2 people + shopping or 2 people + a properly secured dog would limit its actual usefulness a bit.
Nissan Leafs are a really good entry to EV, they are reliable and available for just about any budget.
Simailr boat to @GreatAuk was hoping evs would be at a decent price point by now/next 18 months but the short supply of new vehicles has put a stop to that and is going to take years for the 2nd market to recover, if it ever will.
And yes leafs are a decent entry but on a whole range isn't great and its using dying tech in chademo
And yes leafs are a decent entry but on a whole range isn't great and its using dying tech in chademo
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Yeah I guess I should probably look again at used options like the leaf if I give up on something like the Spring being released here.
What puts me off Leafs, for example, is the worry that the cheaper older ones might become worthless very quickly due to battery degredation, with Nissan apparently only expecting 10 years out of them, even if more optimistic people give them 15 years. Working that through gives some extremely high depreciation for say an 8+ year old car with much reduced range. Then again may be worth £3k as scrap apparently, so depreciation not quite as bad as it would first appear. Then with the more expensive newer ones it just feels like you're paying an awful lot for not very much, even accounting for lower running costs, and working it through depreciation will still be pretty high.
I guess part of it is just adjusting to how much more expensive electric cars are in general,even though I had hoped it wouldn't be like this.
Depreciation is not something I would worry about, it’s always been lower on a BEV than an ICE and due to the lack of availability. That isn’t going to change anytime soon.
As long as it still works and doesn’t have any major body damage, it’s going to be worth £lol for the foreseeable.
The main issue is that used prices are so high, it just might not make any sense anyway. An equivalent ICE car will be significantly cheaper.
As long as it still works and doesn’t have any major body damage, it’s going to be worth £lol for the foreseeable.
The main issue is that used prices are so high, it just might not make any sense anyway. An equivalent ICE car will be significantly cheaper.
One of the main appeals to me of an EV is the simplicity of them. Hybrids are just the worst compromise, I can imagine they will rapidly become uneconomical to service over time.
I work from home (just as well as my only means of transport when the other half is out is a gas-guzzling campervan). Ideally we'd replace her car with a Zoe or Leaf or something, but as we're on a terrace, and she'd be doing over half a charge every day on her commute, we'd need to be absolutely sure we can get the car charged.
99% of the time it wouldn't be a problem, assuming we can run a cable across the pavement, or use one of the newly installed chargers in the village (5 mins walk).....but the other 1% of times, she won't be able to get to work, which is still basically a non-starter.
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Has she asked her workplace about a charger?
I think there are some at her work actually. Realistically, between a cable across the pavement, the new chargers in the village, and work, it can probably work. I need to start making a note of how full the new chargers are.....they're in a pretty busy parking area so are likely to be ICEd a lot of the time.
The main obstacle then is taking on the cost. We're both debt free at the moment and pretty happy with that situation given the state of the world. We'd need something with 200 mile range to be able to do the round trip to her mum's place comfortably.
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A lot of the car parks, especially commercial chargers are starting to take ICE'ing quite seriously if you mention it to them, as it is lost revenue.
No chance to plug-in with a 3-pin when you are there? I mean in you are only there 15 minutes then its no good, but if yo uare doing a 200 mile trip I'd expect at least a few hours.
It's possible....but mainly, it's one of my non-negotiatiable ticklist items for splashing the cash to move to electric.No chance to plug-in with a 3-pin when you are there? I mean in you are only there 15 minutes then its no good, but if yo uare doing a 200 mile trip I'd expect at least a few hours.
1) Full EV (not hybrid)
2) 200+ mile range
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It was just a query, lets not forget you also have to take weather, temps and speed into account. So our Ioniq is technically capable of that as you can get 220 miles out of it in weather like this, but would fall short at -5c as it'll drop to 165-180 miles depending on headwind/tailwind as well.
If you aren't really doing a lot of mileage per year then you aren't going to save anything, but if your Mrs is doing 60+ miles a day in commuting every day then you'll be paying for a lot of the car from the fuel saving alone if you buy sensibly.
The Hyundai Kona/Kia eNiro platform will fulfil those, even seeing over 200 miles range in the winter. However, like you say, the cost will be the biggest factor as you're looking at £35k+ to make sure you get the 64kWh battery versions.
That said, 8000 miles will cost me £150 on Octopus GO (7.5p/kWh) in my Kona based on the yearly average of 4mi/kWh, which is actually very conservative as I was getting 3.7 over winter and currently hitting 4.8-5.0mi/kWh now we've hit summer, and even accounts for the 10% charging losses
That said, 8000 miles will cost me £150 on Octopus GO (7.5p/kWh) in my Kona based on the yearly average of 4mi/kWh, which is actually very conservative as I was getting 3.7 over winter and currently hitting 4.8-5.0mi/kWh now we've hit summer, and even accounts for the 10% charging losses