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For the money, quite hard to justify over a Model Y I'd say.
When are you going fully electric?
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Until you've been in a Model Y felt its cheapness, definitely not an SUV I'd choose over anything else other than in a financial/efficiency sense, but if I was buying a car to be/feel cheap, I'd buy a cheap car not a Tesla, the Ys pinch stretch of an M3 look doesn't sit well with me either.
Styling is a subjective though, each to their own.
Personally I like the look of the iX1 inside and out but that is based on brochure not having seen one IRL, so I can only extrapolate what it might feel like based on other BMW I have tried and could be way of the mark.
Styling is a subjective though, each to their own.
Personally I like the look of the iX1 inside and out but that is based on brochure not having seen one IRL, so I can only extrapolate what it might feel like based on other BMW I have tried and could be way of the mark.
Tesla seems to be deleting their parking sensors and replacing it with a vision based system.
It could work, it could be a disaster, time will tell! The moronic part of the implementation is that the parking sensors are going away before the vision based system is implemented. They don’t exactly have a good track record when it comes to delivering autopilot functionality on time.
They are actually going to start delivering cars without parking sensors at the end of the year but the replacement system doesn’t yet have an implementation date.
By all means delete the sensors after the vision system is ready but this is absurd. As much as I like my Model 3 I would not be impressed if it didn’t have parking sensors at delivery and had to wait an u disclosed amount of time for it to be added, let alone if I had paid £3k for enhanced autopilot that is completely non-functioning.
This isn’t a rumour, it’s right from the horses mouth:
www.tesla.com
It could work, it could be a disaster, time will tell! The moronic part of the implementation is that the parking sensors are going away before the vision based system is implemented. They don’t exactly have a good track record when it comes to delivering autopilot functionality on time.
They are actually going to start delivering cars without parking sensors at the end of the year but the replacement system doesn’t yet have an implementation date.
By all means delete the sensors after the vision system is ready but this is absurd. As much as I like my Model 3 I would not be impressed if it didn’t have parking sensors at delivery and had to wait an u disclosed amount of time for it to be added, let alone if I had paid £3k for enhanced autopilot that is completely non-functioning.
This isn’t a rumour, it’s right from the horses mouth:
Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision | Tesla Support United Kingdom
Safety is at the core of our design and engineering decisions. In 2021, we began our transition to Tesla Vision by removing radar from Model 3 and Model Y, followed by Model S and Model X in 2022. Today, in most regions around the globe, these vehicles now rely on Tesla Vision, our camera-based...
Pff, you expect them to have the replacement ready before removing the existing tech, like some boring unadventurous legacy automaker?
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Utterly stupid move in my opinion. It was bad enough that they rely on the camera for auto wipers and auto headlights - both of which do not work well at all from my time with the M3LR. The fact that features like Autopark, Summon, etc won't be ready goes to show that they absolutely can't replace the existing sensor reliably with just the cameras. Ironic thing is that autopark, for me, was utterly useless even with the sensors, compared to my old 2018 Audi A3 which worked well every time.Tesla seems to be deleting their parking sensors and replacing it with a vision based system.
It could work, it could be a disaster, time will tell! The moronic part of the implementation is that the parking sensors are going away before the vision based system is implemented. They don’t exactly have a good track record when it comes to delivering autopilot functionality on time.
They are actually going to start delivering cars without parking sensors at the end of the year but the replacement system doesn’t yet have an implementation date.
By all means delete the sensors after the vision system is ready but this is absurd. As much as I like my Model 3 I would not be impressed if it didn’t have parking sensors at delivery and had to wait an u disclosed amount of time for it to be added, let alone if I had paid £3k for enhanced autopilot that is completely non-functioning.
This isn’t a rumour, it’s right from the horses mouth:
Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision | Tesla Support United Kingdom
Safety is at the core of our design and engineering decisions. In 2021, we began our transition to Tesla Vision by removing radar from Model 3 and Model Y, followed by Model S and Model X in 2022. Today, in most regions around the globe, these vehicles now rely on Tesla Vision, our camera-based...
I'm currently running a 2018 Golf R, which doesn't have a camera but does have radar and adaptive cruise control. Granted, it doesn't autosteer, but the ACC works a hell of a lot better than autopilot ever did for me - I used to get phantom breaking when going under some bridges as well as past big lorries, it wouldn't accelerate when pulling out to overtake, etc. - yet this old system in the Golf works reliably, without any drama.
I liked the Model 3 regardless, but I think Tesla are absolutely going backwards with this decision. Their camera/AI tech just isn't there.
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Pretty sure they are just asking for trouble with this right now, as much as it is great to have some tech moving forwards doing it without a proper replacement ready to go is pretty daft.
Have to wonder long term if it will work well enough, I mean if they manage to ever get FSD working using the vision system then parking should be a doddle for it, but they only seem to be bothering with FSD in the USA and ignoring ROW. I can imagine the costs saved over many 100k's of cars much be pretty large, how much does a full array of sensors and all the cabling cost?
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Apart from the build quality is on another level, will ride better and have much better exterior lighting options. I still like having an easily reachable dealer in every decent sized town too. Model Y is based on the now aging Model 3 platform which you could argue is worse than a non-dedicated EV newer platform in some respects.
Pro's and con's to both.
iX1 I think looks good but would be too big for my needs and slightly disappointed by the range given the battery size but all EV's could do with a jump in efficiency tbh. The iX1 2WD optional available later I think will be FWD which is disappointing, if that's true.
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A not insignificant amount of money. It’s not just the hardware, the labour saved from plugging in the 8+ connectors as this can’t really be done by a robot efficiently. If it works, you are talking millions of $.
I too have reservations unless they plan on making other changes to their current camera setup. Both the front and the back have issues.
Neither have enough dynamic range and they can be blinded by a low sun. The back gets covered in muck in the winter and doesn’t have a washer. The front has blind spots low down because it’s mounted at the top of the screen and the back has blind spots on the corners.
They also require light to work, so reversing at night will be problematic in certain scenarios.
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tesla is the bar, everyone else is trying to catchup.
the iX1 needs to be at worst same price as Model Y or offer discount against Model Y to be considered. whilst its interior is more luxurious to the tesla but that is opinion. tesla's software and updates are far far superior not to mention its maturing platform and supercharger network.
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Tesla's 'aging' platform is better than most other manufacturers new platforms, can you tell me what is bad or outdated about it vs others?
I’ve not driven one but allegedly they suspension is softer on the cars being delivered now. The ride is almost certainly firmer than most though and probably nigh on impossible to tell without A-B testing them.
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Have you driven one then ?
Interesting. Just bought a Cupra Born so suspect I won't be in the market again in a few years but hope they have sorted it out!
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Drivetrain, charging network and the battery (and battery management) on the Tesla are still in front of everyone else. The software, however, absolutely not the case. It’s the thing I disliked most about mine.
whats wrong with it? i always thought it is the most intuitive and clean/easy to operate.
I dont have tesla btw just going by others reaction/reviews
also drivetrain?
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800V isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, especially when you try and charge on a 400V charger which is the vast majority of the network, ask a Tycan owner.
The cells are still the limiting factor and the efficiency of the drive train makes a huge impact.
I’m pretty sure a Model Y will give you more range than an EV6/Ionic V on an equivalent charging session, that’s all that matters. It’s also less likely to throttle due to overheating or having a too cold battery.