When are you going fully electric?
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Had an unexpected work drive from portsmouth to reading yesterday
The hardship
- £2.40 for the return trip
The hardship
- £2.40 for the return trip
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I've put nearly 1500 miles on my I Pace and only had it 3 weeks. Yorkshire to West Wales, West Wales to Guildford, up to Gaydon then back down to West Wales.
No problems with charging. First hotel charger was ridiculously expensive at 70p Kwh. Not sure how much the 2nd hotel cost as it hasn't come through yet. Two stops at services for half hour charge each way.
I've also noticed that although tired after 4/5 hours of driving I don't have quite the same fatigue.
My F31 330D didn't quite do 500 for £90 or so. EV still cheaper. Once the charger is installed at home tomorrow the overnight is 7.5p or thereabouts. My usual daily commute is less than 10 miles so the low range isn't that much of an issue.
Also, when I first had the I Pace the range showed only 211 miles. Now it shows 236 miles at 100%. Not sure why it's gone up.
No problems with charging. First hotel charger was ridiculously expensive at 70p Kwh. Not sure how much the 2nd hotel cost as it hasn't come through yet. Two stops at services for half hour charge each way.
I've also noticed that although tired after 4/5 hours of driving I don't have quite the same fatigue.
My F31 330D didn't quite do 500 for £90 or so. EV still cheaper. Once the charger is installed at home tomorrow the overnight is 7.5p or thereabouts. My usual daily commute is less than 10 miles so the low range isn't that much of an issue.
Also, when I first had the I Pace the range showed only 211 miles. Now it shows 236 miles at 100%. Not sure why it's gone up.
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just guessing but....
could be its learning your driving style
or have you put it in eco mode when previously in dynamic or comfort mode?
I still cant log into my car yet, i have to take it to jaguar with my drivers licence and V5 to get them to remove the old owner from the car and let me put myself on it.
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Around town, probably not. But around town this is not relevant as range doesn't matter - if you do the sort of shorter journeys that mean you can't get 500 miles from a 330d then an electric car is probably better anyway as this where being able to charge at home becomes very useful - it will always be full every morning. I can't imagine there is any range anxiety at all from an electric car owner who almost always drives less than 100 miles each day. If this is you, an electric car is superior to a petrol or diesel in almost every way.
Range becomes important on longer trips and if you couldn't get 500 miles from a tank in a 330d on a longer trip then I can't understand why. 500 miles in a 330d is less than 40mpg. It would easily do more than that on a long trip, my 530d always did and it was a heavier car. My entire lifetime average from the 530d was 37mpg and that included all of the short trips from cold, commuting to work, etc etc as well!
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I've assumed it is driving style and I leave it in comfort. I use Audible on most long journeys when I'm on my own so never in a hurry - more listening time
It's overall range was impacted by most of my daily use being relatively short distances. On a long journey it would average the mid 40s.
Carwow have a new video outlining Toyota's new solid state batteries coming into production from 2025. Toyota say the 0-100 charge time is about 10 minutes, 450 miles range and that's just gen 1. More dense than Lithium Ion packs in the same space, no capacity degrade, no excess heat gen from fast charging or high acceleration so no pre-conditioning needed.
Ignore the video headline, the LFA is mentioned for mere seconds lol.
Oher makers are coming in from 2028 so still some years before wide adoption, but at least solid state is finally hitting mainstream, Toyota lead the way before it seems so they are doing the same again.
Ignore the video headline, the LFA is mentioned for mere seconds lol.
Oher makers are coming in from 2028 so still some years before wide adoption, but at least solid state is finally hitting mainstream, Toyota lead the way before it seems so they are doing the same again.
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Exactly, so for this conversation only the long journey range is relevant - mid 40's would probably mean at least 600 miles of range perhaps more.
It’s for fast chargers pulling 500A. A whole house is on a 100A fuse.
Public chargers not many can provide the power to charge at that rate. That’s like 5C -6C I imagine.
No excess heat is a lie. The electrolyte is solid rather than liquid. It’s not breaking physics and 100% efficient
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Going by the video it's worth noting that the only pure solid state EV confirmed to come out in coming years is the new LFA (hence the headline) - The others will be hybrid using solid state smaller packs. I guess they are going the halo car route to show off what's possible with the new LFA being all EV solid state and cost being no limit for it, just like the old LFA.
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Yeah, I noticed this as well - driving previous cars, after a 4-5 hour drive I'd need 30+ mins just to wind down and have a break, but on the long trip last week I was nowhere near as tired.
That's not ideal though - potentially adding an hour each way to the journey. When we had the Zoe we found we were planning days out around the car and where we could charge, rather than where we actually wanted to go, and it certainly got in the way of spontaneous plans - e.g. trips to the beach because it was a nice day etc.
With an ICE, you fill up before you go, and if that's not enough, can pretty safely assume there's going to be a petrol station either enroute, or within a mile or so of your destination, which will add maybe 10-15 mins to your total travel time.
With an EV it's not as simple as planning a route and deciding to stop at charger A on the way there and charger B on the way back. You always need a backup plan because if the charger is in use (likely if it's in a convenient location en-route) or broken (far too common), then you either need to wait (potentially for quite some time) or have a plan B.
The need for a plan B means your plan A charger should be at a point where you still have enough range to get to the plan B if needed, so you're never using the full range of the car (e.g. you can't run down to 0 miles, because if your plan A is unavailable then you're ****, so you need to leave 20-30 miles to get to plan B (and C...etc.)).
Of course it's doable, but it absolutely does get in the way of day trips outside the range of your car.
Of course the infrastructure is getting better, and in a car with 250+ miles of real world range, most day trips will be within that range anyway (that's 4+ hours of driving, if you're going that far for a day trip, you're either mad, or getting paid for it
), however there are still EVs coming out with < 150 miles range, which means 100 miles each way (e.g. a trip to the coast for us) is going to need at least one charge on the way back.
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The hybrid route is very interesting because the smaller packs can charge faster on the go so technically would supplement the already efficient ICE and be a constant stream of EV power when needed - Could really be handy. Need to see technical data on how the system all works though and that hasn't been released yet.
You know why Toyota are starting in hybrids first and halo cars - because solid state batteries will be super expensive for a god number of years
Wouldn't expect anything to change in the mainstream market for at least the next decade, there's a long way to go on the learning curve for solid state while we are starting to bottom out on li-ion
Wouldn't expect anything to change in the mainstream market for at least the next decade, there's a long way to go on the learning curve for solid state while we are starting to bottom out on li-ion
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Is this post from 20 years ago?