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der8auer likes his Porsche EV 
It can charge at 250KW/h!
It can charge at 250KW/h!When are you going fully electric?
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In the height of summer, with a tailwind, downhill, whilst slipstreaming a truck.
Realistic range from 40kwh at 70 is probably closer to 130-140 (that's what I got out of my ZE40). In winter that would drop closer to 110-120
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If it's a city car though, it's enough, the challenge is trusting its enough if it was to be your only car.
I know - I have an e2008 which is very comfortable as a city car (I only need to change it on a granny lead maybe once or twice a week) - but the Mini is atrocious (winter especially). You may as well buy a 12 year old Leaf.
240 is spot on IMHO. If you consider lots of city driving/small miles, the reported range of 140 drops to more like 80 - which can get annoying at those economics.
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Why are you worrying about the motor ? It has a 33% bigger battery. But it’s only 40kwh. It ain’t beating physics on range where range matters (motorway driving)
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improvements on the motor are a few percent though, like hair pin windings , or, more efficient regen for urban
it's the aerodynamics or absence of, on isigoniss's design that's the problem, the ICE wasn't renown for economy at high motorway speed,
aero/surface on the ID 7 sounds impressive 0.23 and if we start to have more cars showing economy of a model 3, the consumer could still be pursuaded away from their SUV/cross diet;
(... after earlier discussion on polarizing glasses , subsequently read that that these kill dash reflections off of modern raked/aero windscreens - double bonus.)
it's the aerodynamics or absence of, on isigoniss's design that's the problem, the ICE wasn't renown for economy at high motorway speed,
aero/surface on the ID 7 sounds impressive 0.23 and if we start to have more cars showing economy of a model 3, the consumer could still be pursuaded away from their SUV/cross diet;
(... after earlier discussion on polarizing glasses , subsequently read that that these kill dash reflections off of modern raked/aero windscreens - double bonus.)
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I definitely need too keep this to hand next time someone tells me EVs dont work, or the grid wont cope, or the batteries will fail after X years before going to landfil.
i mean it is exactly the sort of stuff i already use to counter............... but you would think (hope) that the national grid would carry some weight, after all they should know more about their network than anyone else
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i mean it is exactly the sort of stuff i already use to counter............... but you would think (hope) that the national grid would carry some weight, after all they should know more about their network than anyone else
Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group
Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
It's just amazing how many people fall for all the anti EV BS. Then don't actually think to do their own research in to the subject or fact check what they read or see on FB.I definitely need too keep this to hand next time someone tells me EVs dont work, or the grid wont cope, or the batteries will fail after X years before going to landfil.
i mean it is exactly the sort of stuff i already use to counter............... but you would think (hope) that the national grid would carry some weight, after all they should know more about their network than anyone else
Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group
Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
Most common thing I see is that there is not enough infrastructure to support all the electric cars etc. However there are over 43000 charge points at over 25000 locations which is a 38% increase since May 2022.
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There are some areas in the uk i do worry about. (as a none tesla owner.... if i had a tesla i would not give it a thought). Going down to cornwall is one such place (I have to go to Exeter later in the year and am weighing up train vs my car). there are some charge points, and exeter itself is getting a bunch of new infrastructure - but sadly i doubt i will get there on my initial charge. Also parts of wales i worry a bit about.
things should improve.
Do you happen to know what the percentage increase of EV owners is in the same time frame from May 2022? if it is more than 38% then i guess it would mean the over all demand on the charge points has increased.
Dont get me wrong i am a fully signed up EV fanboy ........ but i do think (if you do not have a tesla) the state of the fast charging network (in the holiday rush especially) is a valid concern.
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I wonder how that looks at night to other road users.
I don't really have any concerns over the grid being able to cope but if I did I'm not sure that would have convinced me otherwise.I definitely need too keep this to hand next time someone tells me EVs dont work, or the grid wont cope, or the batteries will fail after X years before going to landfil.
i mean it is exactly the sort of stuff i already use to counter............... but you would think (hope) that the national grid would carry some weight, after all they should know more about their network than anyone else
Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group
Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
To paraphrase their first retort- people are moving to EVs gradually and we are constantly improving. OK... but at what point does "gradually" become "quicker than we expected" and what is the net result of that?
They then go on to talk about the Electric Vehicle Smart Charge Points Regulations... which don't cover rapid chargers. If there is a risk to the grid capacity surely it is everyone plugging into a 175kW rapid charger the Friday before a bank holiday weekend, not the after work 7kW overnighter.
Then the hypothetical "If every car swapped to an EV overnight we believe demand would only increase by 10%. An extra 10% on their worst case 62GW peak demand only equates to around 3% of cars in the UK charging on a 7kW supply at the same time*. That may well be reasonable but I'd hope they allow for a bit more capacity up their sleeve if we are talking about peak demands.
As with anything EV related a lot of the information has to come through predictions but it does make way for the nonbelievers.
*This is very much lordrobs maths at work here...
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If rapids start to become an issue then they should be forced to either. limit supply, and/or add battery storage so they can supply "unlimited" at any time and refill the batteries when the grid is light usage
I think some of the sites with solar as well already do this.
The peak demand will be probably more people just getting home and plugging in.
Time of use tariffs and smart chargers should pretty much kill that problem.
Ie if someone is dumb enough to want to always refill their Ev at 5pm then charge them £1 a unit. Their neighbour will probably be happy to get paid 50p per KW back to the grid to balance it all out
Exactly, yet National Grid neglected to mention that! The 'bait and switch' of smart meters was always about controlling our usage through financial penalty, EVs will simply play a rather large part of that load shifting.
The energy saving scheme sessions have shown that people will sit in the dark with their fridge switched off for the sake of saving 30p so the model has been proven out. The difference being that the "savings" will be gone and replaced with an additional peak time levy.
I did see that Gridserve at Braintree used battery storage but I don't think they applied the same methodology to their Norwich forecourt and it is clear that since these showcase "electric forecourts" their business model has gone far more in line with other EV charging providers.