When are you going fully electric?

Demon said:
When my Mum bought a BMW i3 REX, it seemed great on paper and had me thinking it was a great solution, but in actuality it's a bad compromise IMO..
1. You have two things to service.. the minor EV stuff as well as the REX motor.
2. It's not emision free so you end up paying more RFL etc.
3. More to go wrong, a small petrol engine and EV systems

I got an ID.3 for the Mrs which has enough range for 98% of trips, and it was no surprise my Mum then also swapped the i3 for an ID.3 and hasn't looked back..

I would consider a PHEV if I did longer trips more frequently, you have the same downsides of more to go wrong/service and increased RFL etc, but at least it can go indefinitely on petrol power and has enough EV range for most peoples commutes for a couple of days..
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Fair enough, those are good arguments against it! :)

I guess it just seems a waste to be lugging around (and paying for) a 250-300 mile range battery when it's not needed 350 days of the year, e.g. in my case I have 64kWh e-Niro, but a 20kWH leaf or Zoe would more than cover my daily usage. Of course for the few times a year it wouldn't, it would be a massive inconvenience otherwise - sure we could make it work, but it would be a real pain.

A second (ICE) car would obviously be an option, but then you've got 2 lots of insurance, servicing, MOT etc. to deal with, by which point it's easier to justify the more expensive, long range EV
 
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New toy… now a full BEV household!

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chanjy said:
New toy… now a full BEV household!

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nice

I am loving mine.

talking jaguar

www.autocar.co.uk

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Jaguar Land Rover announces partnership to re-use packs for grid-supporting Battery Energy Storage System
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who knows maybe once this is in place they can do a full recall on the LG batteries to replace the tiny number of defective units (nothing wrong with the battery in mine but am always up for a. new battery)
 
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Laughing at all the goons on Facebook claiming facts and proof over EVs being terrible and lots of people running out of power when stuck in traffic and all dealers and energy experts saying that EVs are rubbish and well never be EV on new cars by 2035. But when you ask for proof you just get told, Google it. Hmmmm.
 
bigmike20vt said:
nice

I am loving mine.

talking jaguar

www.autocar.co.uk

Old Jaguar I-Pace batteries to be given second life in energy plant | Autocar

Jaguar Land Rover announces partnership to re-use packs for grid-supporting Battery Energy Storage System
www.autocar.co.uk www.autocar.co.uk

who knows maybe once this is in place they can do a full recall on the LG batteries to replace the tiny number of defective units (nothing wrong with the battery in mine but am always up for a. new battery)
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Have read about this recall, not sure if I need to take mine in or not. With the Pivi Pro it's meant to be an OTA update I believe but DVLA still says I should contact my dealer for the recall.
 
why is it just a month ago all the typical gutter press were fear mongering about the bottom falling out of the EV market and awful residuals.


and yet this is being far less reported.

strange.... why is that I wonder? ;)

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Biggest drop in August used car values for 13 years – but there's no price crash on the way – Car Dealer Magazine

Used car values have fallen by two per cent this month, making it the worst August for 13 years – but there's no sign of a price crash yet. Sluggish
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specifically
Martin revealed EVs prices as a whole dropped by 1.7 per cent – a smaller movement than the 2.1 per cent for petrol and diesel cars.

‘Models like the Vauxhall Mokka-e, Peugeot e-208 and Fiat 500e have stayed level, while the Kia e-Niro and e-2008 have all gone up,’ he said

(premium cars got hit harder which in a cost of living crisis makes sense)
 
bigmike20vt said:
why is it just a month ago all the typical gutter press were fear mongering about the bottom falling out of the EV market and awful residuals.


and yet this is being far less reported.

strange.... why is that I wonder? ;)

cardealermagazine.co.uk

Biggest drop in August used car values for 13 years – but there's no price crash on the way – Car Dealer Magazine

Used car values have fallen by two per cent this month, making it the worst August for 13 years – but there's no sign of a price crash yet. Sluggish
cardealermagazine.co.uk

specifically
Martin revealed EVs prices as a whole dropped by 1.7 per cent – a smaller movement than the 2.1 per cent for petrol and diesel cars.

‘Models like the Vauxhall Mokka-e, Peugeot e-208 and Fiat 500e have stayed level, while the Kia e-Niro and e-2008 have all gone up,’ he said

(premium cars got hit harder which in a cost of living crisis makes sense)
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The problem is that petrol and diesel prices have barely been dropping and still are almost 30% ahead of where they were 2 years ago. EVs have had a torrid time since about this time last year and a lot of models have lost closer to 3%/month. They were of course over priced so a correction was inevitable but it has made dealers quite nervous. Quite a few of the car supermakets stopped buying EVs back in January because the write downs were painful. Hopefully its all stabilised a bit.
 
Calpol said:
The problem is that petrol and diesel prices have barely been dropping and still are almost 30% ahead of where they were 2 years ago. EVs have had a torrid time since about this time last year and a lot of models have lost closer to 3%/month. They were of course over priced so a correction was inevitable but it has made dealers quite nervous. Quite a few of the car supermakets stopped buying EVs back in January because the write downs were painful. Hopefully its all stabilised a bit.
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After the first lockdown in 2020 to 2021, used ICE car prices rose very sharply by about 15% - 20% (not 30%). This was due to chip shortages and the fuel crisis. Prices have slowly dropped to realistic levels as the fuel crisis and new car wait times have almost normalised. A slow normalisation of one percent per month over 16 months does not have the same impact as a massive crash. They are still about 5% higher than pre Covid prices.

EVs were about 40%+ more expensive due to the chip shortages but mainly due to the UK fuel crisis with shortages and fuel prices. When used EVs were more expensive than new, there was 100% chance of them crashing. So when used EV prices dropped double digit percentage point over a very short period, it was noticed.
 
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My MG4 is apparently in the country and pretty much ready now, a mere 10 months after being ordered :cry: .

This means the ioniq (not 5) will be going back and I have to say I've become quite fond of it for what it is. Pure white goods electric motoring with ample space, reasonable range for my use, good economy making the most out of the smallish battery and doesn't even feel that slow given the low power output. Would genuinely consider buying a used equivalent (from circa 20 on when they got the 40kw battery) at a relative bargain of under £20k. They don't charge particularly quickly but at least use CCS plus would never be suitable for someone doing big miles and therefore fast charging a lot anyway.
 
I wasn’t referring to a narrow band between 2021 to 2022, I was referring to the increase from pre covid averages of ~15% to ~33% in 2022 (~£14k avg cost to ~£18k avg cost).
 
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Did a day trip from the Midlands to weston and back today, on a bank holiday:eek: don't let the daily mail know that I survived.

Charged at an instavolt bank of 4 chargers, 2 were faulty but the other 2 no problem.
I saw over 10 broken down/ flat tyre vehicles and not 1 was an ev.

Hmm conspiracy theories to be had:D
 
m4rmite said:
Did a day trip from the Midlands to weston and back today, on a bank holiday:eek: don't let the daily mail know that I survived.

Charged at an instavolt bank of 4 chargers, 2 were faulty but the other 2 no problem.
I saw over 10 broken down/ flat tyre vehicles and not 1 was an ev.

Hmm conspiracy theories to be had:D
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Don't tell me you actually planned a journey in an EV?
What ever next
 
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