When are you going fully electric?

I did a 150 mile trip in the Pug e2008 yesterday. The car was fully charged unlike last time which resulted in a South Mimms emergency stop.

Range anxiety was nil on the way out (75 miles), but on the way back the range-o-meter started playing games like usual - I had 60% battery so theoretically should have arrived with 20% remaining (man maths). I think I got back with ~15% or so.

Made it comfortably but definitely "not in good time". Cost me next to nothing though thankfully :D
 
Did midlands to Reading festival and back yesterday 100 miles each way. No issues but to make sure I’d blast back home early house I topped up whilst we stopped for a drink and comfort break at the 32 InstaVolt hub at Banbury for the first time. Impressive. With the RFID the new alfatronic units started within seconds.
 
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dlockers said:
I think I got back with ~15% or so.

Made it comfortably but definitely "not in good time". Cost me next to nothing though thankfully :D
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You mean to say you don’t engage in charge % limbo?

15% is more than enough margin!

The tesla nav guess-o-meter is pretty accurate these days, I’ve cut our margins down to <5% when driving to home. (Edit: not when going to a public charger though!)

This is the closest I’ve got, the car wanted me to charge for a few mins at the last super charger 110 miles from home, it was hammering it down with rain so I thought better of it! When passing the last rapid charger 20 mins from home (still hammering it down) and it said 0% on arrival so I went for it.

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While I got back with 0%, power limit hadn’t kicked in so I probably had 15 or so miles left battery before it actually stopped.
 
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Tesla are apparently giving away free electricity today to mark 10 years of the first super charger opening.

It includes sites open to all EVs.

It started at 8am and ends at 11pm.
 
keef247 said:
Never, I like cars that are light/handle/have hydraulic steering/a soul/sound good/respond well to modifications and tuning, and are the correct size and not pretending we're obese and have massive roads like america...
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Oh please, can you at least learn than the word America should be capitalised because it is a proper noun. I'm not going to respond to the rest because you are obviously one of the misinformed trolls.
 
ICDP said:
Oh please, can you at least learn than the word America should be capitalised because it is a proper noun. I'm not going to respond to the rest because you are obviously one of the misinformed trolls.
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I'm fully aware troll, how ironic. I just chose not to because I don't care and this is a forum post not a lit test!

You are CLEARLY a misinformed fanboy. You think shifting the blame onto an unsustainable source of power is the answer, then buying products shipped over on massive container ships from the other side of the planet is doing better for our country, I THINK NOT!
You do know to make those batteries isn't sustainable and it's rinsing materials we cannot replace/resource...

We should be using either bio fuel or hydro electric, not shifting the blame onto something else and acting all woke...

When you actually have a clue about engines/motorsport/cars in general and have worked in the trade/built your own stuff, tracked it, come back to me.

Until then i'll stick to real cars with souls/handle well/lightweight/normal size/easy to maintain yourself, that aren't the size of a house and look as bad as they drive.

I bet you pay someone to maintain your car and finance it!

Do you ever get on planes and go on holiday... Buy from places like amazon...

Talk about the blind leading the blind!

Cant even be bothered to educate someone this woke, unsubbed!
 
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keef247 said:
I'm fully aware troll, how ironic. I just chose not to because I don't care and this is a forum post not a lit test!

You are CLEARLY a misinformed fanboy. You think shifting the blame onto an unsustainable source of power is the answer, then buying products shipped over on massive container ships from the other side of the planet is doing better for our country, I THINK NOT!
You do know to make those batteries isn't sustainable and it's rinsing materials we cannot replace/resource...

We should be using either bio fuel or hydro electric, not shifting the blame onto something else and acting all woke...

When you actually have a clue about engines/motorsport/cars in general and have worked in the trade/built your own stuff, tracked it, come back to me.

Until then i'll stick to real cars with souls/handle well/lightweight/normal size/easy to maintain yourself, that aren't the size of a house and look as bad as they drive.

I bet you pay someone to maintain your car and finance it!

Do you ever get on planes and go on holiday... Buy from places like amazon...

Talk about the blind leading the blind!

Cant even be bothered to educate someone this woke, unsubbed!
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Can't work out if this is real or parody.

Good luck buying all those fully made in the UK cars without any of its components shipped over in a container ship from the other side of the planet :D
 
keef247 said:
I'm fully aware troll, how ironic. I just chose not to because I don't care and this is a forum post not a lit test!

You are CLEARLY a misinformed fanboy. You think shifting the blame onto an unsustainable source of power is the answer, then buying products shipped over on massive container ships from the other side of the planet is doing better for our country, I THINK NOT!
You do know to make those batteries isn't sustainable and it's rinsing materials we cannot replace/resource...

We should be using either bio fuel or hydro electric, not shifting the blame onto something else and acting all woke...

When you actually have a clue about engines/motorsport/cars in general and have worked in the trade/built your own stuff, tracked it, come back to me.

Until then i'll stick to real cars with souls/handle well/lightweight/normal size/easy to maintain yourself, that aren't the size of a house and look as bad as they drive.

I bet you pay someone to maintain your car and finance it!

Do you ever get on planes and go on holiday... Buy from places like amazon...

Talk about the blind leading the blind!

Cant even be bothered to educate someone this woke, unsubbed!
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Lol, lot of assumptions there. I believe climate change is real and while I care about the planet, I also accept the biggest changes are beyond everyone using EVs. I don't give a crap about motorsport or cars, they are boring things and so are the people like you who tend to care about both. I think I have had someone else wash my car three times since I got it and I have no interest in tinkering with it, or washing it because cars are mostly boring to me.

Did your light/agile/hydraulic steering/small ICE car magically appear on your drive/outside your house? Does the fuel you buy use witchraft to magic itself into the garage underground storage tanks?

I have an EV because it's cheaper for me to lease through work. No more, no less. I would switch back to ICE in an instant because unlike many EVangilists, I will not delude myself to think EVs are better to drive. Though I do know how to do proper research and EVs are better for the environment than ICE and if you think bio fuel is the answer you are even more deluded than your post implies.
 
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ICDP said:
I would switch back to ICE in an instant because unlike many EVangilists, I will not delude myself to think EVs are better to drive.
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Have to admit, as someone who is no longer a boy racer I do find EV a lot better to drive than ICE. If you are doing journeys to get from A to B, EVs are just quieter, smoother and generally more pleasant. Can't remember the last time I threw an ICE or an EV down a B road tbh
 
Something I have often wondered is that instead of the current hybrid setup how come the manufacturers didn't go down the petrol/electric or diesel/electric route like they went in railway locomotives. You have a petrol or diesel engine driving a generator which provides electricity for the traction motors that drive the wheels. In the early 1900's Tilling-Stevens and some other commercial vehicle manufacturers made petrol/electric lorries and buses but by the early 1920's production had ceased in favour of standard diesel engines. Surely with the advances made in modern times someone could build a petrol electric or diesel electric vehicle where a small efficient ICE could drive a generator to power traction motors on the axles? Wouldn't it would be a better solution than current hybrid setups or would it simply cost too much and nobody would buy them?
 
chanjy said:
Have to admit, as someone who is no longer a boy racer I do find EV a lot better to drive than ICE. If you are doing journeys to get from A to B, EVs are just quieter, smoother and generally more pleasant. Can't remember the last time I threw an ICE or an EV down a B road tbh
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I thought the same until I had a loaner BMW 1 Series Auto 118i and even though it was not quick, it was smooth comfortable and refined. Certainly far more refined, comfortbale and smoother to drive than the Kona EV I had rented for two days. The point being, there is some overlap and plenty of smooth refined ICE cars that can be better than an EV.
 
pastymuncher said:
Something I have often wondered is that instead of the current hybrid setup how come the manufacturers didn't go down the petrol/electric or diesel/electric route like they went in railway locomotives. You have a petrol or diesel engine driving a generator which provides electricity for the traction motors that drive the wheels. In the early 1900's Tilling-Stevens and some other commercial vehicle manufacturers made petrol/electric lorries and buses but by the early 1920's production had ceased in favour of standard diesel engines. Surely with the advances made in modern times someone could build a petrol electric or diesel electric vehicle where a small efficient ICE could drive a generator to power traction motors on the axles? Wouldn't it would be a better solution than current hybrid setups or would it simply cost too much and nobody would buy them?
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The petrol electric is a thing. The Nissan Quashqui e-power. Uses electricity to power the movem3nt of the car, but doesn't require to be plugged in. It has a petrol engine purely to recharge the batties
 
keef247 said:
Never, I like cars that are light/handle/have hydraulic steering/a soul/sound good/respond well to modifications and tuning, and are the correct size and not pretending we're obese and have massive roads like america...
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Go on, what race derived road car are you scooting about in…

pastymuncher said:
Something I have often wondered is that instead of the current hybrid setup how come the manufacturers didn't go down the petrol/electric or diesel/electric route like they went in railway locomotives. You have a petrol or diesel engine driving a generator which provides electricity for the traction motors that drive the wheels. In the early 1900's Tilling-Stevens and some other commercial vehicle manufacturers made petrol/electric lorries and buses but by the early 1920's production had ceased in favour of standard diesel engines. Surely with the advances made in modern times someone could build a petrol electric or diesel electric vehicle where a small efficient ICE could drive a generator to power traction motors on the axles? Wouldn't it would be a better solution than current hybrid setups or would it simply cost too much and nobody would buy them?
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It’s less efficient that just driving the road wheels directly. Which is why the Gm Volt did it years ago last minute to improve steady state cruise. Else you are just handling a bar of energy soap where each handling event loses some.
 
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keef247 said:
I'm fully aware troll, how ironic. I just chose not to because I don't care and this is a forum post not a lit test!

You are CLEARLY a misinformed fanboy. You think shifting the blame onto an unsustainable source of power is the answer, then buying products shipped over on massive container ships from the other side of the planet is doing better for our country, I THINK NOT!
You do know to make those batteries isn't sustainable and it's rinsing materials we cannot replace/resource...

We should be using either bio fuel or hydro electric, not shifting the blame onto something else and acting all woke...

When you actually have a clue about engines/motorsport/cars in general and have worked in the trade/built your own stuff, tracked it, come back to me.
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I’m here, bag of clues at the ready and I’ve done the real stuff of production cars aswell. Let’s go.
 
pastymuncher said:
Something I have often wondered is that instead of the current hybrid setup how come the manufacturers didn't go down the petrol/electric or diesel/electric route like they went in railway locomotives. You have a petrol or diesel engine driving a generator which provides electricity for the traction motors that drive the wheels. In the early 1900's Tilling-Stevens and some other commercial vehicle manufacturers made petrol/electric lorries and buses but by the early 1920's production had ceased in favour of standard diesel engines. Surely with the advances made in modern times someone could build a petrol electric or diesel electric vehicle where a small efficient ICE could drive a generator to power traction motors on the axles? Wouldn't it would be a better solution than current hybrid setups or would it simply cost too much and nobody would buy them?
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I think a lot of the smaller Toyota hybrids work like this. The ICE never drives the wheels directly.
 
pastymuncher said:
Something I have often wondered is that instead of the current hybrid setup how come the manufacturers didn't go down the petrol/electric or diesel/electric route like they went in railway locomotives. You have a petrol or diesel engine driving a generator which provides electricity for the traction motors that drive the wheels. In the early 1900's Tilling-Stevens and some other commercial vehicle manufacturers made petrol/electric lorries and buses but by the early 1920's production had ceased in favour of standard diesel engines. Surely with the advances made in modern times someone could build a petrol electric or diesel electric vehicle where a small efficient ICE could drive a generator to power traction motors on the axles? Wouldn't it would be a better solution than current hybrid setups or would it simply cost too much and nobody would buy them?
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Simply because they are not compliant with zero emission at tailpipe which is how most legislation is being drafted for passenger cars. The Vauxhall Ampera had this setup and was considered a Range Extender (REX) but it was possibly ahead of its time with c75 miles battery then petrol motor to recharge it. Hardly anyone is making a REX now. Hybrid is worse for the environment but proved very popular as an interim step but really they aren't much better than a standard ICE car.
 
Bug One said:
I think a lot of the smaller Toyota hybrids work like this. The ICE never drives the wheels directly.
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That’s not how those work, they are just what is now a standard hybrid with a CVT gear box.

bigmike20vt said:
isnt that how the BMW I3 REX worked before it went pure Electric only?
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Yes but they quickly realised hardly anyone actually used the REX once there was enough range in the car. It also wasn’t very reliable in the i3.

It also had a few issues in that the car needed to reserve 10% of the battery capacity to buffer the REX which is significant on a 100mile EV. It was possible to end up in a turtle mode if you went up a sustained incline while on REX because it didn’t actually generate that much electricity, in think on Rex it only returned 40mpg too. Regulations in some countries meant it couldn’t also have a bigger fuel tank than the electric range so even on the rex it’s range was comically low, circa 200 miles. I think that could be coded out though if you knew what you were doing.

Another example of a range extender is the new black cabs but I can’t see that lasting that long.
 
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