When are you going fully electric?

Simon said:
Could have a millions public chargers. I don’t need them and they aren’t the answer. Need a lot more destination and home chargers. This is the issue with so many homes not having possibility of home charging
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Ideally we need both - whilst I do agree that destination chargers are arguably more useful for most people in day-to-day use, they are no good if you are on a journey longer than the range of your car, and if I had to choose between having to hit a rapid for 20-30 mins once a week to keep topped up, or having to spend several hours on a 7kw post in a supermarket carpark in the middle of my journey whenever I want to drive more than 250 miles, I'll take option A every time please.

China Man said:
With my driving style I don't have the urge to go full electric as my car is mostly weekend shopping and daily pick up family from nearby station. 40 mile range with my Ampera battery and charging at night at 7.5p

I have been to petrol station a hand full of times in the past 2 years, mostly for long trips and airport runs.

I got this Ampera cheap at £9000 2 years ago with 15000 miles only, will move to full electric when a 250 mile plus range EV become £9000 ... dreaming :)
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Sounds like you have the ideal car for your usage :)

I've often wondered why there aren't more REX style cars, but with longer range - e.g. a 20-30kWh battery (e.g. ~ 100 miles). Surely would be perfect for 99% of people - pure EV mode with plenty of range for day to day use, coupled with the ability to instantly top up with fuel for longer journeys?

smilertoo said:
As soon as they remove cash the government can decide when and where you're allowed to charge your EV, and i dont think the rich are going to be told they're not allowed because the grid is stressed.
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How are they going to stop people using a granny charger :confused:

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a charger which accepts cash, so not sure what your point is there anyway :cry:
 
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smilertoo said:
As soon as they remove cash the government can decide when and where you're allowed to charge your EV, and i dont think the rich are going to be told they're not allowed because the grid is stressed.
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Aside from your tin foil government and rich people stuff.

National grid have repeatedly said it is not stressed. From what I see there are sometimes local supply issues, ie the cables to the area of chargers but it improves every day.
 
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smilertoo said:
As soon as they remove cash the government can decide when and where you're allowed to charge your EV, and i dont think the rich are going to be told they're not allowed because the grid is stressed
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No one will 'not be allowed to charge' an EV
If people want to charge their EV's at peak time then they will just pay more to do it. [Compared to other times of less system demand]

People who want to donate their energy to the system, either from an EV or storage battery, will get paid for each unit of energy they can provide.
 
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Kill_Phil said:
Words of warning, keep away from mfg chargers. Tried charging the weekend and just wouldn't work so ended up leaving. Now appears they've taken a £40 pre-authoristion. Reading online they also take ages to refund....
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I used them twice on holiday (conveniently on the M6), I had the £40 holding charge applied on the way up, it was removed 6 days later, and we charged on the way back using the app as it gave you 10p/kwh discount and that didn't take a holding charge.

I was annoyed a bit with the £40 holding charge, that is a bit pants, but Instavolt did a £12 holding charge when I used that (app wasn't working), and the Pod Points ridiculously have this stupid credit system which means you end up leaving a bit in their coffers as you can only top up in £10 increments (at the time, I'm told it hasn't changed much).

On the plus side the the MFG EV hubs I used, when I pulled up, I was the only car charging with 9 other bays empty! by the time we left, 2 others had turned up, but it was a nice place, clean, tidy etc and only a couple of mins from a motorway junction.. saves fighting over 2 or 3 chargers at the main services on the M6.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
In short, using the public network which is growing rapidly.

You can still buy a brand new PHEV to 3035, 12 years away, those cars have 12-18 year normal lifespan and while it defeats the point, you don’t actually need to plug them in. The bigger issue in 2045 will be finding somewhere to buy petrol/diesel that isn’t a truck stop. Norway has pretty much hit the U.K. 2035 target already.

To add some perspective 2 years ago the vast majority of service stations had 2 50kw rapid chargers (ignoring Tesla), the vast majority have 6-12 150-350 kw rapids. Exeter services has gone from 2-3 50kw units to 56 250kw-350kw units (last few not switched on yet but it will be any day now).
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Not sure public charging is the answer. Don't you need to be able to charge at home/work?
 
Haggisman said:
I've often wondered why there aren't more REX style cars, but with longer range - e.g. a 20-30kWh battery (e.g. ~ 100 miles). Surely would be perfect for 99% of people - pure EV mode with plenty of range for day to day use, coupled with the ability to instantly top up with fuel for longer journeys?
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When my Mum bought a BMW i3 REX, it seemed great on paper and had me thinking it was a great solution, but in actuality it's a bad compromise IMO..
1. You have two things to service.. the minor EV stuff as well as the REX motor.
2. It's not emision free so you end up paying more RFL etc.
3. More to go wrong, a small petrol engine and EV systems

I got an ID.3 for the Mrs which has enough range for 98% of trips, and it was no surprise my Mum then also swapped the i3 for an ID.3 and hasn't looked back..

I would consider a PHEV if I did longer trips more frequently, you have the same downsides of more to go wrong/service and increased RFL etc, but at least it can go indefinitely on petrol power and has enough EV range for most peoples commutes for a couple of days..
 
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The Techno+ comes with a heatpump too. Although range on the Megane seems to get absolutely hammered in cold weather. That's probably no different to a lot of EV's though.
 
413x said:
How far from their homes are we talking? Like a minutes walk? 15 minutes?
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There are charge locations 5-10 mins walk. However they are parked most evenings so likelihood is they charge during the day while at work or out. Glasgow has a great public charge network.
 
steve5424 said:
There are charge locations 5-10 mins walk. However they are parked most evenings so likelihood is they charge during the day while at work or out. Glasgow has a great public charge network.
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Not in the southside it doesn't. Of the four supermarkets I frequent, three (Morrisons, Sainsburys and Asda) don't have any chargers at all. Tesco at Silverburn apparently has 4 but it's a site shared with a large shopping centre with cinema, so that probably isn't enough.
 
All I have to say is, only when you are driving electric cars can you get FREE leccy.

No matter how efficient or cheap ICE car is. You cannot get free fuel unless you steal them.
 
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Taken the jump into a fully electric vehicle as I got a discounted lease.

Enjoying it, got a charger installed at home (not shown there)
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Simon said:
Could have a millions public chargers. I don’t need them and they aren’t the answer. Need a lot more destination and home chargers. This is the issue with so many homes not having possibility of home charging
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Ah, seeing as you don't need them, let's call it all off.
 
413x said:
Not sure public charging is the answer. Don't you need to be able to charge at home/work?
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Of course public charging is part of or the majority of the answer.

I’m not sure why people are equating rapid chargers for the only public chargers available. AC chargers can be public chargers and they are arguably a more important part of the solution. There are tens of thousands of them out there already and the majority are not used on the daily.

The reason I didn’t highlight them because it’s much harder to do so because they are distributed widely compared to pointing to motorway services where there are lots in one place.

Cars are parked 90%+ of the time seems like an obvious time to get a charge, it doesn’t need to be at home or at work, it can be anywhere the car is parked and that will be personnel to that individual. Workplace chargers make sense where they can be deployed for some people, less so for others.
 
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TheVoice said:
Not in the southside it doesn't. Of the four supermarkets I frequent, three (Morrisons, Sainsburys and Asda) don't have any chargers at all. Tesco at Silverburn apparently has 4 but it's a site shared with a large shopping centre with cinema, so that probably isn't enough.
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I'm in Dalmarnock Home Bargins has a couple the commonwealth villiage has a good number too as does Rutherglen. Burneside Tesco has a couple and the big Rutherglen Tesco is supposed to be getting some soon.

My estate is currently having a couple fitted.
 
pc-guy said:
All I have to say is, only when you are driving electric cars can you get FREE leccy.

No matter how efficient or cheap ICE car is. You cannot get free fuel unless you steal them.
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Or your company pays your fuel which makes it free to you, I use to earn a fair bit of dough from that as my car was far more efficient than the mileage rate :D

Or you could have a car like my Volvo, leave home with 250 miles range, drive a couple of hundred miles with no charge or fill up whilst on holiday, get home with 250 mile range, witch craft :D
 
Demon said:
When my Mum bought a BMW i3 REX, it seemed great on paper and had me thinking it was a great solution, but in actuality it's a bad compromise IMO..
1. You have two things to service.. the minor EV stuff as well as the REX motor.
2. It's not emision free so you end up paying more RFL etc.
3. More to go wrong, a small petrol engine and EV systems

I got an ID.3 for the Mrs which has enough range for 98% of trips, and it was no surprise my Mum then also swapped the i3 for an ID.3 and hasn't looked back..

I would consider a PHEV if I did longer trips more frequently, you have the same downsides of more to go wrong/service and increased RFL etc, but at least it can go indefinitely on petrol power and has enough EV range for most peoples commutes for a couple of days..
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Fair enough, those are good arguments against it! :)

I guess it just seems a waste to be lugging around (and paying for) a 250-300 mile range battery when it's not needed 350 days of the year, e.g. in my case I have 64kWh e-Niro, but a 20kWH leaf or Zoe would more than cover my daily usage. Of course for the few times a year it wouldn't, it would be a massive inconvenience otherwise - sure we could make it work, but it would be a real pain.

A second (ICE) car would obviously be an option, but then you've got 2 lots of insurance, servicing, MOT etc. to deal with, by which point it's easier to justify the more expensive, long range EV
 
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