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Not really, another £100 then it looks a lot better.
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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Not really, another £100 then it looks a lot better.
Soldato
With the 79 XTX starting at £699.
4080's from £849.
We're just getting fleeced for our love of PC gaming because they know we are going to pay anyway, they have shifted the price so high to create huge margins, they don't have to sell as many anyway.
I just hope sales plummet again, and a repeat inventory glut follows, but with the ai hype, I fear we are not going to get a another one of these from leather jacket man 'To all my Ampere gamer friends, it is safe to upgrade now.'
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The problem is that if they have a tonne of inventory left over again come the next cycle then they will be inclined to go with with the layering strategy again where they price new stuff terribly to sell off old stuff which already has terrible pricing.With the 79 XTX starting at £699.
4080's from £849.
We're just getting fleeced for our love of PC gaming because they know we are going to pay anyway, they have shifted the price so high to create huge margins, they don't have to sell as many anyway.
I just hope sales plummet again, and a repeat inventory glut follows, but with the ai hype, I fear we are not going to get a another one of these from leather jacket man 'To all my Ampere gamer friends, it is safe to upgrade now.'
Soldato
That's exactly why I want it to happen, they are going to use ai to upsell them again regardless, they have that much cash in the bank, they will hold out a long time if they want too, but the longer sales are low, the quicker it'll make them wake up on the high pricing and get back to the days when they slashed last gen pricing to clear stocks.
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Totally agree.
The average person that buys a console isn't even thinking of building a gaming PC, and it's certainly not price that dictates that decision. A 4090 could be £50 and it wouldn't make the majority of console owners move over to PC. Obviously not hard data by any means, but I don't really know anyone in the real world that has a pc tower of any kind. I bet if most people here asked people they worked with if they owned a gaming pc the majority would say no. It's mac's, ipads, phones and consoles. Pc gaming is niche in the UK in my opinion.
I don't doubt that prices are affecting sales, just a look at availability of graphics cards tells you that, and there are probably some pc gamers who have moved over to console, but overall I don't think it's going to have a major affect on pc gaming as a whole.
There have been far worse lows in pc gaming and it recovered, and it likely will recover in the future too. People often complain about the high prices of parts, but there have been far worse prices in the past. I still remember the extortionate pricing of hdd and ram years ago.
I think that AAA gaming is the big problem, it's in a dire state with the reliance on patches, publishers just wants games out the door with a "we'll sort it later mentality". Micro-transactions increasing in games, prices of games increasing, it's as if they're all testing the market to see what they can get away with. When some pc gamers look at the games releasing and the prices of hardware there's no real incentive to upgrade. If there were quality games releasing there would be some people that would stomach the prices to play the latest games. Fomo is a big thing in gaming.
This bubble will burst though as more and more people are getting fed up, and eventually prices will have to drop. Nvidia may be focused on AI, but they won't let someone else wrap up the mainstream gpu market. This is Intel, Amd all over again where Intel just took the **** until it blew up in their face. Unfortunately for a portion of PC gamers Nvidia have a monopoly when it comes to GPU, there are features that they must have and there aren't really any alternatives. Nvidia know's this which is why they are doing what they do.
I'm surprised AMD isn't trying to take advantage of Nvidia's mistakes though....Maybe they don't care and are happy with the money they're making on cpu's and console sales.
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There's much hatred and pessimism in this thread. I'm a 4090 owner from day one and have thoroughly enjoyed my card and continue to do so. The investment cost for the amount of entertainment I get out of it is amazing to me. Playing on a LG OLED at 4k, 120Hz (most games can run > 100 FPS, sometimes have to use DLSS) is a beautiful experience, HDR just pops.
Over the last few months I've played through these:
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Cyberpunk 2077
Doom, Doom Eternal
Elden Ring
Diablo4
Just a few examples of AAA games that I've enjoyed and that warrant the expense of a top tier gaming rig in 2023.
Over the last few months I've played through these:
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Cyberpunk 2077
Doom, Doom Eternal
Elden Ring
Diablo4
Just a few examples of AAA games that I've enjoyed and that warrant the expense of a top tier gaming rig in 2023.
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glad you can afford a rig like that ..enjoy no really .. but 90% can't .. and to say it's over priced because it is and yet people still buy it ?
I don't doubt you think the amount of entertainment you get out of it was worth the £1.6k. Unfortunately at lot of people out there don't even have £1.6k let alone a spare £1.6k to spend on something they may only have time to use for maybe an hour per day or a few hours on the W/E.
Speaking personally I'd probably struggle to find enough time to finish just one of the six games you've listed in the seven months since the 4090 was released.
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Soldato
Yeah exactly. I play flight sim in vr, lucky to get a couple hours a week on it. Still ideally need a beast of a GPU though for that.
Same with a bike for example. Even if you can only cycle an hour a week, doesn't mean you should make do with a £200 Halfords special. Will be a terrible experience.
Same with a digital piano if its just a hobby. Don't buy the cheapest with crap keys, otherwise the experience will be poor. Even if you only play an hour a month, its still worth getting something better.
Lots of examples where this applies.
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Do you think you'd have enjoyed your card as much if if had an 5-15% uplift over the 3090 like a 4060ti does over a 3060ti? or if it had a 48% increase over the 3090 but cost £2590 which is the % increases a 3080 wanting to move to a 4080 gets.
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Soldato
Yup this is what I have in my head as well.
If I could buy a 7900xt from OCUK, today, at £600 I'd be seriously tempted, but £750 is too much.
Really even £600 is crazy.
Soldato
Graphics cards shouldn't cost any more than they did in 2008. I should be able to get two 4090s stuck to one PCB for £370.
Agreed. I would not even pay that myself personally. But as things are in the current market it would be a decent price.
Soldato
If Gibbo PM'd me and said, I seen your post I'll sort you a special deal out at £600 I'd probably have to sleep on it, I'd probably..... go for it.
£500 I'd bite.
£400 I'd say shutup and take my money, then proceed to run around like a kid at Christmas.
Soldato
I couldn't buy a 7900xt even if it was a hundred quid as it's poor for vr.
Yeah completely understand that, consoles are far more cost effective for casual gaming a few hours a week.
I looked at it's performance increase over my 3090 and decided I wanted it, even with the price increase. Evidently many others did, as 4090's have been a huge success and big seller for Nvidia.
Some wouldn't even take it for free as they would not want to be seen with an AMD GPU. Puts the women off when they come over and you show them your PC apparently