When will the censorship of anything criticising immigration stop?

Patient Keeper

Patient Keeper

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It's not just in the UK, but throughout Europe.

For example, in August 2010 the German government condemns a book as 'racist', as it states that muslims immigrant from Turkey do not want to integrate: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11131937

Yet, only 1 month later, during a football match involving Germany and Turkey, played in Berlin, the stadium is full of Turkish muslims that boos drown out any noise whenever Mesut Özil (a third-generation Turkish immigrant now playing for Germany) touches the ball:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/10/22/germanys_age_of_anxiety_0

Go and watch the highlights on youtube for proof. Sort of backs the author's claims up doesnt it?

Why do government constantly dismiss any fears over immigration?
 
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It's because it has been forced on us rather than gradually excepted. Now they are in that sticky situation like a plane goes in. Too fast to stop now, but not fast enough to take off. There are too many immigrants now for there to be sudden outrage and talks on immigration wihtout a potential of civil war, but people attitudes are still not accepting enough to ignore difference in race/culture/accent (whatever minor difference immigration brings to a country). Give it a century and people won't even remember there being a problem with immigration.
 
Valentino said:
It's because it has been forced on us rather than gradually excepted. Now they are in that sticky situation like a plane goes in. Too fast to stop now, but not fast enough to take off. There are too many immigrants now for there to be sudden outrage and talks on immigration wihtout a potential of civil war, but people attitudes are still not accepting enough to ignore difference in race/culture/accent (whatever minor difference immigration brings to a country). Give it a century and people won't even remember there being a problem with immigration.
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There's a possibility that there won't be much of the native populations left to express the problem, almost kind of like now, except the Government won't need to supress it.
 
Patient Keeper said:
Yet, only 1 month later, during a football match involving Germany and Turkey, played in Berlin, the stadium is full of Turkish muslims that boos drown out any noise whenever Mesut Özil touches the ball:
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Wait you're saying Turks boo'd a German player when the Germans were playing Turkey?

Good lord!


Football fans booing the other teams players in an international game?

What has the world come to.

You'd have never had this back in the old days, beatings and murders sure but booing?

Never.
 
Patient Keeper said:
Sort of backs the author's claims up doesnt it?
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No it doesn't.

But I think you're right in that it's hard for governments to talk openly and honestly about immigration. Mostly due to offending people and also, perhaps, from having to take the rough with the smooth of being an EU member.
 
Because it's a ridiculous problem to have, we need immigration.

The vast majority of immigrants are from the EU which government policy will have no impact on. The UK is one of the few first world countries that has a net positive in people of working age, look at somewhere like Japan and see how the entire population is getting to retirement age and the working population is in massive decline; and thus the tax base.

My wife was one of the beneficiaries of the Labour party, until they got into power she had to report to the bloody police station every 6 months. Once they got in, she could get a NI card, pay taxes and settle here. Until those changes it was pretty rough for her, which kind of sucks as a University educated, bilingual immigrant from a G7 country.
 
Tefal said:
Wait you're saying Turks boo'd a German player when the Germans were playing Turkey?

Good lord!


Football fans booing the other teams players in an international game?

What has the world come to.

You'd have never had this back in the old days, beatings and murders sure but booing?

Never.
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First of all, this match is being playing in Berlin, deafening boos for home team players is certainly not something you see very often (if ever, maybe the last time in this country was Beckham when he was sent off in 1998?).

Secondly, they are singling out one player and booing him, a player that has broken the norm, and is third-generation immigrant from Turkey but playing for Germany. If they think of a third generation immigrant as some sort of traitor then really what do you expect their general views on integration to be?
 
Tefal said:
Wait you're saying Turks boo'd a German player when the Germans were playing Turkey?

Good lord!


Football fans booing the other teams players in an international game?

What has the world come to.

You'd have never had this back in the old days, beatings and murders sure but booing?

Never.
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:D
 
Patient Keeper said:
OK then, I don't have a problem with calling him German, after all I thought he was at first. So explain to me why the Turkish immigrants that have filled the stadium are singling out him, and not any other Germans?
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How do you know their immigrants?

A second ago they where Turkish Muslims, you know it's quite common for people to follow their national teams.

in which case they're Turkish people on holiday in Germany.

Not immigrants.
 
Tefal said:
How do you know their immigrants?

A second ago they where Turkish Muslims, you know it's quite common for people to follow their national teams.

in which case they're Turkish people on holiday in Germany.

Not immigrants.
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I think it is not that much of a secret that Berlin has a huge number of Turkish immigrants. Again, why have they chosen to single out that player?
 
Patient Keeper said:
I think it is not that much of a secret that Berlin has a huge number of Turkish immigrants.
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Doesn't change anything though does it?


You have switched between calling them Turkish fans to immigrants to suit, you can't prove they are either so it is a moot point.
 
Are you going to answer why they were singling out one player?

Trying to claim that all those boos were just 'turkish on holiday' in the away section of a football stadium is ludicrous. Show me another time when Turkey have played another away game and brought with them that much support?

Also, even if you are again going to claim that there are 'no immigrants', why are they singling out that player? What does that tell you about general Turkish view on immigration into another country?
 
Patient Keeper said:
OK then, I don't have a problem with calling him German, after all I thought he was at first. So explain to me why the Turkish immigrants that have filled the stadium are singling out him, and not any other Germans?
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Can I remind you that for a very long time Turkish immigrants were not allowed to become German citizens. The change in the law was so recent that the footballer in question is technically a first generation German, not third.


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Patient Keeper said:
Are you going to answer why they were singling out one player?

Trying to claim that all those boos were just 'turkish on holiday' in the away section of a football stadium is ludicrous. Show me another time when Turkey have played another away game and brought with them that much support?

Also, even if you are again going to claim that there are 'no immigrants', why are they singling out that player? What does that tell you about general Turkish view on immigration into another country?
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They're singling him out because he's considered a Turk playing for Germany... what is there to be confusing about that?
What's wrong with turks living in Germany supporting Turkey? The majority of people I know that live here from around the world still support their native team, and usually England second.
I'd imagine the kiwi's who've played for Scotland, Ireland or Wales Rugby have received similar ribbing from the kiwis now living over here.

Stop trying to make a drama out of nothing.

Not sure what censorship you think happens when immigration and it's limitation was one of the if not the biggest focal point in the UK election :confused:

You've thrown in the muslim word quite needlessly, even in your discussion about immigration, they're just Turks, their religion is irrelevant.
 
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