That's in one game. One.
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Where did Dx10.1 from Vantage go, Nvidia knows
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Soldato
Must have been the other way round then, knew it was one way or the other.
And wasn't there a test in one of the later versions that was 8.1 and only 8500 could do it...
Eitherway, my point is they've done it before, why not with 10.1...
Soldato
But is it though? I always though that it was supposed to be a benchmarking suite.
Yeah its only one game, but then why are Nvidia adding Dx10.1 to their next cards in July, whats the point if its not getting used, oh but it will be from July, as Nvidia will allow it to be used then, as they will have Dx10.1 supporting cards out, the only reason its not getting used now, is because Nvidia are (alledgedly) kicking up a stink because they dont support it yet and ATi do, so it gives them an advantage, like in Assassins Creed, that runs much better on the 3000 series, now its being taken out, why, its bloody obvious why, anyone with half a brain knows why.
I bet it will appear in Vantage, but only when Nvidia finally have some Dx10.1 cards out.
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Now i recall it, I think the dx8.1 test game out with 3dmark01 SE didn't it? That's like a year after the initial release, maybe they'll do the same with Vantage. As just like then in 2001, no games actually support dx10.1 right now (ok, one game....) so whats the big deal.
That's just one way of looking at it, and I guess I just don't see everything as a conspiricy.Yeah its only one game, but then why are Nvidia adding Dx10.1 to their next cards in July, whats the point if its not getting used, oh but it will from July, as Nvidia will allow it to be used then, as they will have Dx10.1 supporting cards, the only reason its not getting used now, is because Nvidia are kicking up a stink because they dont support it yet and ATi do.
Futuremark not including DX10.1 in Vantage does not mean nVidia had any say in it, it could just be they decided not to include it since they would be alienating the majority of people who use this software - enthusiasts. The 8 series cards are probably the most popular and most common among gamers so why alienate the people who will be using your software? Especially since having a 10.1 capable card at this point in time has pretty much zero benefits.
As for nVidia adding 10.1 to their new cards - of course they will, whether it's pointless or not. Why? Because if they didn't we'd have morons yapping about how ATI cards have 10.1 when it doesn't make any real tangible difference yet.
Either way who cares, I personally don't care about Vantage at all let alone whether it has 10.1 support or not, mainly because none of the 3D Mark suites give any real idea on how a card will perform in real games so I just steer clear of it since it's a waste of time.
Soldato
Welcome to Earth, I see you have not been here long.
The Dx10.1 not being added just because its not being used much is complete cack, as Vantage being Vista only puts paid to that one.
been here plenty of time - doesn't mean I have to abandon principles and accept things I find objectionable.
Soldato
You don't know that. You're just going on the ideas of some journo that writes for, of all sites to quote
, Fudzilla. You shouldn't believe everything that you read Easy, especially when it's totally made up and un-substantiated!It may turn out to be true but it's much more likely that the majority of the software was written before DX10.1 was available to them. In fact I'm going to go write an article saying just that and publish it it on the internet so that gullibles can go argue about it on some forum.............DOH!
Soldato
You should read the earlier post where it's stated that 3dMark01 had a test, when it was first released, that Nvidia cards couldn't do.
The only reason it being Vista only, is as its the one company, Microsoft, they can't lose can they, but with the gfx cards its different, theres 2x of those, so that means there has to be one that loses out, and Nvidia do not want it to be them, i bet if it was the other way around, Nvidia did Dx10.1, ATi didn't, would we have seen Dx10.1 in Vantage, imo, of course we would have.
They are both as bad as each other though, so im just waiting now, as its ATi's turn.
They are both as bad as each other though, so im just waiting now, as its ATi's turn.
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it might tie into the rumours that Microsoft dropped the full memory virtualization requirement from DX10 due nVidia not being able to do it, and made it optional instead for dx10, ati having successfully implemented it, maybe dx10.1 is what dx10 really should have been and nvidia has had time to catch up...
and thats why ati can run the test and nvidia cant
and thats why ati can run the test and nvidia cant
So, 3dmark Vantage gets DX10.1 taken out so Nvidia can look good?. Assassins Creed benefits from this feature with ATI but Nvidia are forcing it to be ran at DX10 as they can do that at least and then we have DX10 changed before the release of Vista so Nvidia could be compliant with G80. What the **** is going on here?. Nvidia are slowing things down for all of us.
This is outrageous
. They don't have the technology on their products but have had all this time to do something about it. Nvidia are turning out to be a complete joke tbh. I had faith in them due to G80 and G92 but they've only been seen in a good light since the release of the 8800GTX to the 8800GT/GTS. Everything else has been pathetic. 9800GTX, 9800GX2 with 256bit interface and now stopping ATI from getting to use technology that they've incorporated into their cards because they don't have it. Whose fault is that?????? their bloody own.
I really hope Nvidia get a hefty fine for monopolising the graphics market. ATI, the company that's been behind since the release of the 2900XT and still today for the single GPU solution has been by far more innovative than Nvidia. It's like ATI have been on top all this time with the advances they've been making. 2900 evolved into 3800 drawing half the power, less heat with the improved fan and then a great price drop. I do have to give Nvidia a little credit though. G92. At first it was amazing and the prices even though a little steep at first was a lot more affordable than the GTX's at the time and had the performances of the GTX at lower res's. Now at £110 (roughly) it's at an amazing price to buy for those who want great looking games without paying £200+. Then Nvidia go and ruin that by using G92 to launch the 9600GT, 9800GTX and 9800GX2 and we might even see the 9900GTX use the G92 core with the high clocking shaders and a 384bit bus (total speculation). Milking it to the extreme where as ATI have given you the great noise and efficiency change from 2900 to 3800 and now you have a specs change with the 4000 series. Driver teams? need I say more?
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I do prefer ATI but as you can see from my sig I'm no fan boy. I like AA and run a high resolution screen so I have the best card for the job (apart from the X2 3870 and Ultra). I just see from the support from Nvidia as diabolical with no new graphic drivers for the G80 cards (whql) in nearly 6 months and older products forgotten about like they've never existed. Then you have the 9800GTX and 9800GX2 which have GTS written all over them. Microsoft then drops their trousers for Nvidia with DX10 to let them be compliant for Vista and now Assassins Creed DX10.1 support will be removed as the company that's been behind for a year and a half gets a boost.
I really hope people start realising that Nvida are being very dirty here. Trying to slow down advances in gaming technology until they are ready is pathetic for a company of that magnitude. I'll be looking forward to the new 4000 series cards and will happily give ATI my money again. ATI are more exciting, more innovative with much better support.
This is outrageous
. They don't have the technology on their products but have had all this time to do something about it. Nvidia are turning out to be a complete joke tbh. I had faith in them due to G80 and G92 but they've only been seen in a good light since the release of the 8800GTX to the 8800GT/GTS. Everything else has been pathetic. 9800GTX, 9800GX2 with 256bit interface and now stopping ATI from getting to use technology that they've incorporated into their cards because they don't have it. Whose fault is that?????? their bloody own.I really hope Nvidia get a hefty fine for monopolising the graphics market. ATI, the company that's been behind since the release of the 2900XT and still today for the single GPU solution has been by far more innovative than Nvidia. It's like ATI have been on top all this time with the advances they've been making. 2900 evolved into 3800 drawing half the power, less heat with the improved fan and then a great price drop. I do have to give Nvidia a little credit though. G92. At first it was amazing and the prices even though a little steep at first was a lot more affordable than the GTX's at the time and had the performances of the GTX at lower res's. Now at £110 (roughly) it's at an amazing price to buy for those who want great looking games without paying £200+. Then Nvidia go and ruin that by using G92 to launch the 9600GT, 9800GTX and 9800GX2 and we might even see the 9900GTX use the G92 core with the high clocking shaders and a 384bit bus (total speculation). Milking it to the extreme where as ATI have given you the great noise and efficiency change from 2900 to 3800 and now you have a specs change with the 4000 series. Driver teams? need I say more?
.I do prefer ATI but as you can see from my sig I'm no fan boy. I like AA and run a high resolution screen so I have the best card for the job (apart from the X2 3870 and Ultra). I just see from the support from Nvidia as diabolical with no new graphic drivers for the G80 cards (whql) in nearly 6 months and older products forgotten about like they've never existed. Then you have the 9800GTX and 9800GX2 which have GTS written all over them. Microsoft then drops their trousers for Nvidia with DX10 to let them be compliant for Vista and now Assassins Creed DX10.1 support will be removed as the company that's been behind for a year and a half gets a boost.
I really hope people start realising that Nvida are being very dirty here. Trying to slow down advances in gaming technology until they are ready is pathetic for a company of that magnitude
. I'll be looking forward to the new 4000 series cards and will happily give ATI my money again. ATI are more exciting, more innovative with much better support.
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Soldato
Not to mention support for PhysX PPU cards, I mean only 10 people actually own one right?
If they put support in for the PPU why not 10.1 when MORE people have access to DX10.1 hardware then PPU's.
Soldato
Sorry man, didnt mean it as a dig
Fact of the matter is, one of the worlds largest GPU manufacturers has decided to bribe their way through the corporate ladder once again and there is bugger all the consumer can do about it.
Soldato
Exactly. For $4m you can make a company bend over and remove DX10.1 support via a patch and that is just disgraceful, I have a 2900XT and I will not be buying nVidia ever, all my cards have always been ATi, and that will not change.
Peformance be damned. 
Man of Honour
Just like you know....DON'T use 3dmark as it's cack anyway and you need to pay to use it more than once lol? Like...
Look to be fair, you throw money at them and things can disappear! If I remember correctly DX10.1 was supposed to be touted as in 3D Mark Vantage! I was actually expecting it to be there as were a lot of people so I think we're right in speculation as to how it may have "vanished" all of a sudden.
I can see a patch for DX10.1 coming in July when NVidia support it and as loadsa said a lot of games will start to appear! It's what happens when money talks and it's a shame considering we are starting to see the benefits in games like Assasins Creed, sure its only one but if we werent being slowed down in terms of tech its where we would be at. Shame ATi just cant get the backing in terms of what they tried to implement!
I can see a patch for DX10.1 coming in July when NVidia support it and as loadsa said a lot of games will start to appear! It's what happens when money talks and it's a shame considering we are starting to see the benefits in games like Assasins Creed, sure its only one but if we werent being slowed down in terms of tech its where we would be at. Shame ATi just cant get the backing in terms of what they tried to implement!