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does anybody have a list of these 'features' ati have bought to the market?
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Where did Dx10.1 from Vantage go, Nvidia knows
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does anybody have a list of these 'features' ati have bought to the market?
The issue that DX10.1 did not get included into Vantage. Do you think if Nvidia had DX10.1 that Vantage would have these tests?. Of course it would. DX10.1 helps ATI and gives Vista some limelight so that's why AMD and Microsoft wanted it included into Vantage. In that case it should have been between AMD, Microsoft, Nvidia and Futuremark to decide on this matter but with Ageia's acquisition and the physics based tests in Vantage it's apparent that Nvidia had more hands in the pie when it came to the decision. Nvidia have had more than enough time to have DX10.1 ready and well you know it. Damn they can't even get a 8800GTX whql driver out this year and the ATI 9800Pro's last driver date is April 2008. 9800GTX is the GTS and the 9800GX2 is 2x GTS with X2 3870 being released first and on one PCB. I don't know how you can happily defend Nvidia?. Since the GTX release in November 2006 they've brought out one card which is a watered down version of the G80 with bandwidth but a better core. Great for lower res gamers. The 2900 changed a lot and now the 3800 is about to change again but performances this time. All this in just one years time from the company that people thought were going under
.If DX10.1 performances that could be enjoyed by all get held back through Nvidia's bullying, then how you can't see that as a problem surpasses me
. It's an issue if lets say 100,000 gamers on ATI cards get the performance boost taken away from them in Assassins Creed. Can you not see why an increase in AA efficiency is a good thing?, do you not want this to be pushed out now?. I would like to see DX10.1 implemented in Nvidia cards also but the fact of the matter is that it's only one manufacturer that has this and they should be allowed to use it and Vantage should have had this incorporated into the tests as an additional feature. When someone brings a new feature for us all that increases performances they should be rewarded for it. Not punished.
Heh, the one thing that truly overcomes ATi's MSAA stigma is now being undermined. I couldn't see it being anything but nVidia's doing to be honest. And yeah, it's wrong. nVidia are clearly abusing their position in the discrete graphics market. As a consumer I'm really starting to take a dim view to nVidia as of late. With the lack of official driver support for their 8 series since December, rereleasing old tech and giving it a price hike and now this. As for the whole 'technological leaders'... Eh, I'd say they trade places in that department, see GeForce 6 vs. Radeon X series.
It probably would have but they voted against it as did other members so you can't just blame nvidia, but obviously your going to try.
btw, the quote goes as far as I can be bothered to read your posts.
Oh don't be so silly. Dramatic or what?
.I'm not just blaming Nvidia for what happened with Vantage and DX10.1. There were a few others who didn't want this also. With Ageia being bought over it looks as if Nvidia had more influence in Vantage than anyone else though.
btw, Please keep your personal feelings out of the thread. No one is interested in the percentage of my posts that you read, including me
lol. No need to try and get personal sunshine. It's only a discussion 
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Been a rumour for ages now that Intel were going to step into the gfx card market, i wish they ******* would tbh.
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Well, yeah, Intel are entering the GPU market, with Larrabee.
It's not a rumour or something.
It's not a rumour or something.
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I really don't get your point.
My actives have noting to do with innervation Of AMD/Intel/Nvidia.
Me spending money has nothing to do with my comment of the spending power of AMD/Intel/Nvidia.
You keep turning my generalizes comments about companies & there innervation as some sort of goal that i must adhere to.
My comments of lower power components from ati/nivida/intel does not mean im trying to conserve power im just say that one has lower power needs than the other & thats a fact & me making such a comments should not mean i have to be a conservationist it just means getting the same job done how ever great is done for less power than an alternative.
Once Again your fixated in taking comments as a personal nature.
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I forgot about Larrabee.
Hopefully Intel entering gets Nvidia to raise their game.
I find the recent news of nVidia attempting to bring down Intel with mudslinging quite humorous - but more importantly, maybe it shows nVidia are scared of this comparatively huge company entering their ball park?
I mean hell, Intel's been beating them at chipsets for long enough.
Judging by the review of Assasins creed on Hardocp DX10.1 seems to allow the HD3800 series a nice performance benefit (circa 20%). However the cards are still slower than the nvidia offerings even with the dx10.1 benefit so quite frankly I couldn't give a monkies whether they support it or not.
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Once Again your fixated in taking comments as a personal nature.[/QUOTE]
because you described nvidia's (and intels) 'brute-force' nature in a negative way, in such a way as to paint AMD/ati's approach in a better light. its quite obvious that you arent fond of intel or nvidia. what im saying is, you are commending amd's approach to computing while actually doing the exact opposite yourself - using brute force to get the job done with 3 ati gpu's. all that heat, all that power needed - its just ironic, but also amusing
well, while that can be said of amd's very efficient bottom end cpu's, i cant say the same of ati. to need 3 3870's to best an 8800gtx is not effeciant, it doesnt use less power and it doesnt put out less heat. yes their single cards ARE efficiant, but they are also a lot slower.
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Once Again your fixated in taking comments as a personal nature.
because you described nvidia's (and intels) 'brute-force' nature in a negative way, in such a way as to paint AMD/ati's approach in a better light. its quite obvious that you arent fond of intel or nvidia. what im saying is, you are commending amd's approach to computing while actually doing the exact opposite yourself - using brute force to get the job done with 3 ati gpu's. all that heat, all that power needed - its just ironic, but also amusing
well, while that can be said of amd's very efficient bottom end cpu's, i cant say the same of ati. to need 3 3870's to best an 8800gtx is not effeciant, it doesnt use less power and it doesnt put out less heat. yes their single cards ARE efficiant, but they are also a lot slower.
No as i could have gone 3 Ultras & that would have used allot more power & your comment about me using brute force has no biases unless you know of an alternative method to getting the job done to what im using it for .
You have decided to make these comments about intel/nivid.amd & turn it into about my personal activates which have noting to do with you or the comments i made about intel/nvidia/AMD but yet you cant help your self.
I talk about intel/amd/nvidia but you can only talk about what im up to.
Lets stick to the topic & not about me i would like to talk about amd/nvida/intel with out you having to bring my personal activates in to it every time i say something about a company you disagree with.
Reading over your statement people can only comment on activates of companies to which they are doing them self or they don't have a right to comment unless its a positive comment.
Well i missed that rule.
Im not religious so i cant make any comments on religion i take it ?.
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dont take it so personally then, thats your problem lol. no i dont have a problem with what you are doing or the way you are doing it, but then >I< wasnt the one commending one company whilst slamming the other for applying the same stratagy to their hardware that i do to the use of mine. I think you'll find that was you.
remember - I've stayed neutral here. i never said one approach was better than the other, i said it was horses for courses. i do not care how its done, i just buy whatever i want at the time. again, it was you talking issue with nvidia and then doing the same anyway. No, i dont have a better suggestion than 3x 3870's right now (are they even faster at that resolution? ive not even looked) but then you never had to buy the 30" did you lol.
you still cant see the epic irony in your posts lol, and you dont like the fact that i picked up on your own buying habbits after your 'some of us like to buy with a bit more thought" speech. lol, what thought would that be then? buy the biggest bestest monitor you can find and buy the 3 gpu's to power it all. again im not knocking what you are doing and if i had a 30" lcd id probably do the same, but i am knocking what you said after learning what youve bought or are planning to. awesome.
anyway we could go round in circles but it wont get anywhere. nvidia wont be able to do anything right, ati will always be the better company and you'll wreak of hyprocrasy for reasons i have already explained
remember - I've stayed neutral here. i never said one approach was better than the other, i said it was horses for courses. i do not care how its done, i just buy whatever i want at the time. again, it was you talking issue with nvidia and then doing the same anyway. No, i dont have a better suggestion than 3x 3870's right now (are they even faster at that resolution? ive not even looked) but then you never had to buy the 30" did you lol.
you still cant see the epic irony in your posts lol, and you dont like the fact that i picked up on your own buying habbits after your 'some of us like to buy with a bit more thought" speech. lol, what thought would that be then? buy the biggest bestest monitor you can find and buy the 3 gpu's to power it all. again im not knocking what you are doing and if i had a 30" lcd id probably do the same, but i am knocking what you said after learning what youve bought or are planning to. awesome.
anyway we could go round in circles but it wont get anywhere. nvidia wont be able to do anything right, ati will always be the better company and you'll wreak of hyprocrasy for reasons i have already explained
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What i do with my hardware had nothing todo with my comments about amd/'intel/nvidia. it was use who has a problem with that.
there is noting wrong with me saying one approach is better than other from AMD/Intel/nvidia & what the hell has that got todo with my 30"
Showing your true colours now to what i thought you were doing all along ~& that was attacking for my view on Intel/AMD/Nivida.
Hypocrisy as if im in the the same business as Intel/AMD/Nvidia to which im not & also not knowing the needs of my self or my system & to which i use it for you have no right to judge whether im being a hypocrite.
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attack? you say it as if ive called you names and pulled your hair lol. deal with it, you cant have your cake and eat it. i have absolutely NO PROBLEM with reasonable informed decisions and/or opinions. what i dont care much for is an undeserved bias against or for a company.
not at all? hypocrisy is campaigning against the conditions of battery chickens and then eating out at KFC. Hypocrisy is demonstrating against fox hunting and then betting on a dog fight. Hypocrisy is complaining about a manufacturers brute force approach and then doing the same your self. i dont care what your wants or need are for your system. if you felt that strongly about it then you wouldnt be ploughing power and money in to your system as you are. again for the record (blimey i have to say this to you a lot dont i) i have NO PROBLEM with what you are doing with your system. try to realise the difference between me pointing out the whole pot kettle black theme of your posts and me not agreeing with your system choices.
...so no, you dont not have to be in the same business lol. but you go ahead and make me look like the bad guy if that makes you feel better. true colours and all that
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