you cannot argue with mathematical proof, its as close to truth as you can get.
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Where does the universe end?
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you cannot argue with mathematical proof, its as close to truth as you can get.
I think we've established that there's no getting through to you - that's fine.
I've asked this a couple of times already, but you don't seem willing to respond. What I'd like to know is where you get your confidence from - what is it that makes you think you know better than every mathematician on the planet?
No because space has expanded since the furthest light has reached us. So it further away than.
Universe is about 13.7billion years old. Light from the horizon has travelled around 45billion light years (radius)
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Pardon?
Our universe of galaxy's may well end as our big bang only pushed them so far but keep traveling past the horizon and you enter the great nothing, eventually if you traveled fast enough and long enough you should enter another universe of galaxy's, it's either that or we only see so far and past that point there continue to be galaxy's forever from our one big bang but i doubt that.
It makes more sense to have infinite space and big bang's poping into existence at various places and times, on the order of incredibly rare and far from one another, the thing is though with infinity there should be an infinite number and also weirdly there's the chance big bangs will happen in the same area that a universe already exists, so a whole universe of life could be destroyed and replaced at random and without warning, infinity is incredibly crazy to think about yet probably quite likely given what we know.
Are you a cosmologist or did you just make that up?
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As interesting as this thread is theres one thing that really annoys me.
We are never going to know the truth
We are never going to know the truth
what do you not understand?
Don't be silly now. Its a good plot of a sci-fi movie universe though
Did you mean cannot?
yea didnt realise lol, that post made no sense, edit!
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What do people mean that humans can't grasp the concept of a infinite volume?
Whats so hard about it, it goes on forever, simple. I have no trouble accepting that.
Whats so hard about it, it goes on forever, simple. I have no trouble accepting that.
That's infinity+1, more more commonly known as "To Infinity and Beyond" (tm).
It's possible to state that in a model with infinite dimensions that a point lies outside of those dimensions. However that is me just playing again (sorry for kick starting the infamous OcUK 0.9r=1 discussion again - I see gilly picked up on that
).What if the dimensions were reoccurring to? In short there is only one dimension, the others are recursive reoccuring within it? Your 11 dimension m-theory could be constructed of one dimension which exist in such away the same single dimension becomes an infinite or if you can only see a portion of the dimension it appears as if it's only 3D rather than infinite..
It still doesn't answer the question what's outside of it and why does it exist - which enters the philosophical as we desire to understand why do we exist and what is our purpose?
Nobody would be happy to take the answer if it approached the real answer but never actually got there if this follows the same path..
Perhaps Zen and the toga crew are right, admit that as our understanding approaches 1 that actually we will never know and thus in reality we know nothing..
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All maths does is prove that the rules entered into the model maintain their evaluation to true.
It doesn't stop the rule itself from being wrong.
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Wow a lot of carp being talked in this thread! Why is it so hard for some people just to accept "we don't know" rather than spouting some pseudo-mathematical bull****?