which electric shower?

[Participant]

In addition your solution is still limited by your boiler capacity and ability to heat the water, if you have a pants boiler or a god awful combi your warerflow might be better but the temp less than a high power electric shower.

Balls. Almost every conceivable combi supplies hot water at a far faster rate than even the best electric shower. And if you have a hot water cylinder being pumped to the shower head, this will still provide a far more awesome experience than any electric shower.

The only conceivable advantage is reliability, but people seem to magically forget that you can get power cuts as well as boiler break downs. In fact in my experience the former is more likely if anything.

 

[Lopéz]

Balls. Almost every conceivable combi supplies hot water at a far faster rate than even the best electric shower. And if you have a hot water cylinder being pumped to the shower head, this will still provide a far more awesome experience than any electric shower.

Tell that to the five year old super duper combi boiler in my current house. Sure, I get masses of water, just a shame it's lukewarm at best unless you leave it running for about 15 minutes beforehand.

Plus not everyone has a combi boiler.

 

[anything I don't mind]

I am in rented property but it has been a long term and no sign of it ending. But I want to pay to improve my shower even though i don't own the house if it is within reasonable cost. I have an electric shower on the wall and there is no pressure on the hot water tap of the bath, so i can't run a bath. The shower has next to no pressure. What would the cheapest option to improve pressure? The boiler is in the main bedroom in a cupboard which is on the 1st floor. Would the best option be to get a pump? but where would i put it? the ground floor or first floor ?

 

[Firestar_3x]

The only conceivable advantage is reliability, but people seem to magically forget that you can get power cuts as well as boiler break downs. In fact in my experience the former is more likely if anything.

Indeed, then you have a bath.........

So that's most scenarios covered....

 

[anything I don't mind]

http://www.pumpexpress.co.uk/increase_water_pressure.htm

I just found this, it says it is not legal to pump directly on the mains. To get a gravity shower the only way is to then have two tanks? one on the ground floor where you pump the water up to the loft where a second tank heats the water and then you run that down to the shower. But that is complete refit. It looks like standalone pumps are expensive £400. if i did get a pump by my tank on the 1st floor would i have to get rid of the electric shower?

 

[Superficial]

edit - sorry did not see your post above

 

[Fred]

Out with the electric power shower, in with the mixer.... waaaay better Did that with my current house, and I would do it again given the choice.

 

[Sankari]

Until your boiler brakes, or the gas goes off and you can't get washed.

Yes, those once-in-a-blue-moon occurrences sure are frustrating.

Out with the electric power shower, in with the mixer.... waaaay better Did that with my current house, and I would do it again given the choice.

^^ This.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Yes, those once-in-a-blue-moon occurrences sure are frustrating.

Mine was down for a month last year waiting for parts, it does happen.

Also the roll eyes really adds to your point, nice.

The best solution is a pumped mains water power shower in one room and an electric in another, but not everyone has that luxury.

 

[Sankari]

Mine was down for a month last year waiting for parts, it does happen.

How the hell can you be without hot water for a month? Utterly ludicrous.

The best solution is a pumped mains water power shower in one room and an electric in another, but not everyone has that luxury.

That is not the best solution, it's just a waste of money. Do you have two cookers as well, in case the gas or electric goes off?

 

[Firestar_3x]

How the hell can you be without hot water for a month? Utterly ludicrous.



That is not the best solution, it's just a waste of money. Do you have two cookers as well, in case the gas or electric goes off?

Lack of spare parts due to the manufacturer going out of business.

No but like many we have a range with gas hob and electric ovens....

If you have multiple bathrooms why wouldn't you want diversity of supply, it's exactly the right thing to do.

So if that isn't the best option what is?

 

[Lethagized]

The only conceivable advantage is reliability, but people seem to magically forget that you can get power cuts as well as boiler break downs. In fact in my experience the former is more likely if anything.

And do you really think a boiler is going to work without electricity? No it isn't.

Argument is getting silly. Yes, power showers are the best, and if we all had the most reliable combi boiler and tons of spare cash to get it installed, that is what we would all have, but to disregard electric showers completely is just nonsense. Power showers put out more pressure, but so do the more expensive electric power showers. If you've got good water pressure in the first place, then that is more than adequate for a normal shower.

You get what you pay for, and even the most basic 9.5kw shower on a good water supply is perfectly fine pressure and heat wise. I wouldn't go any lower than 8.5kw though at an absolute minimum.

 

[norm]

You get what you pay for, and even the most basic 9.5kw shower on a good water supply is perfectly fine pressure and heat wise.

We've got a 10.8kW Mira Sport (2012 model) here and while the flow rate is ok (I wouldn't want any less put it that way) it's never going to compare to a pumped mixer shower.

Electric showers are simply convenient and relatively cheap if you have an old style boiler that has to heat the tank first.

Cost for cost though a combi boiler probably works out cheaper in the long run (over 10 years say), as gas is cheaper, and less likely to fail vs electric shower.

 

[darren73]

http://www.pumpexpress.co.uk/increase_water_pressure.htm

I just found this, it says it is not legal to pump directly on the mains. To get a gravity shower the only way is to then have two tanks? one on the ground floor where you pump the water up to the loft where a second tank heats the water and then you run that down to the shower. But that is complete refit. It looks like standalone pumps are expensive £400. if i did get a pump by my tank on the 1st floor would i have to get rid of the electric shower?

Its incorrect you can pump the mains as long as its not above 12ltr a min

 

[BeeP]

We have an Aqualisa shower which has a pump in the attic, I have to say I hate using other showers now as they don't peel your flesh off in the same way this does

With 5 of us in the house & it can be a problem if the kids decide to have a 10 minute "turbo power" shower, by the time I get in the water is stone cold......funnily enough the air is rather blue too. Most of the time though it is great.

I think our pump is wired up to the bathroom lights/upstairs lights.......don't quote me on that though.

 

[norm]

Its incorrect you can pump the mains as long as its not above 12ltr a min

I don't get this. If you live in an area with low mains pressure already, pumping it is only going to make the problem worse for everybody else, and also possibly draw dirty water into the mains which is why the rule exists in the first place to prevent that happening.

Having a cold water tank and pumping that fair enough.

 

[Participant]

Tell that to the five year old super duper combi boiler in my current house. Sure, I get masses of water, just a shame it's lukewarm at best unless you leave it running for about 15 minutes beforehand.

Plus not everyone has a combi boiler.

Your boiler is broken.

Those without a combi should pump off a cylinder.

But really the point is that those that put up with a crappy electric shower for 12 months of the year just in case their boiler breaks are doing themselves out of a proper shower through sheer paranoia. It's like installing candles in every room, because hey, eventually the electricity will go off and then where will you be?

Those content with an electric shower either have simple tastes or have never experienced a proper shower. The concept of putting up with a crappy shower all year just in case your boiler breaks for a day (or a month, lmfao) is so stupid.

 

[Lethagized]

Your posts are stupid. Calling someone simple because of the shower they choose.
We get it robbie. You think electric showers are crappy. Put a cork in it.

I bet you nag nag nag all your friends and family when they choose something that you disapprove of, you just come across as the type that screams 'listen to me goddamit, i am right, why isn't anyone listening to me'

 

[Energize]

Electric showers use tons of electricity, 1 hour of use is going to cost around £1, that adds up to hundreds a year if you have a few people in your house!

They are terrible, mixer showers are much better. Boiler breaking isn't really an issue when you can simply use an immersion heater to have a bath.

Typical ocuk response. "Buy the best and most expensive" nonsense. What if he doesn't have a boiler?.

Do you even know what a mixer shower is?

They are cheaper than electric showers...

 

[Firestar_3x]

Your boiler is broken.

Those without a combi should pump off a cylinder.

But really the point is that those that put up with a crappy electric shower for 12 months of the year just in case their boiler breaks are doing themselves out of a proper shower through sheer paranoia. It's like installing candles in every room, because hey, eventually the electricity will go off and then where will you be?

Having a bath using the stored hot water in the tank.

Those content with an electric shower either have simple tastes or have never experienced a proper shower. The concept of putting up with a crappy shower all year just in case your boiler breaks for a day (or a month, lmfao) is so stupid.

You are indeed correct that a 'proper shower' is better than a standalone electric one, however 'proper showers' have limitations too.

Whilst a good / expensive condensing boiler is indeed 'great' many houses don't have these fitted, instead they have cheap as chips, low capacity rubbish things which limit the hot water flowrate to that of a trickle.

If I had two showers then I would have one boiler fed power shower / mixer tap shower and another electric, however I only have one shower room, which has a mixer tap shower fitted I may add an electric shower to my main bathroom at some point.

Now onto the question of ‘simple tastes’ my parents have two wet rooms with very expensive boiler fed showers, in addition they have two bathrooms with electric showers, they have a huge boiler, but it takes ages for any hot water to reach the furthest bathrooms due to the sheer length of pipework which needs heating before you get any hot water out.

The electric shower option in this case is almost more desirable.