"whitewashing" garbage

guess idris elba didn't feel noble enough to stand down when there was the kick up about a black guy playing Roland?
guess everyone assumes Skrein was just plucked out the hat at random and maybe wasn't the best one they say at the casting calls? guess everyone assumes they deliberately didn't ask any ethnics to the casting calls?
 
Participant said:
Why should a white actor be discriminated against for a role they're a good fit for, based on their race? Positive discrimination is the most prevalent form of racism in today's society.

The straight white male can do no right.
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You're one of those people that post on twitter with the not all men hashtag aren't you?
 
It's going a bit too far, from now on I only want to see real soldiers (not actors) in war films because it's hard to get a job out of the forces, and if there's anything science based I expect the actor/actress to have the qualifications to discuss and "work" on the projects within the story of the film.

If the story for the film was written by a woman, then the narration has to be female too, and the director because a man won't be able to get across the feeling and emotion from the written text to do justice to the story.

It's acting, by that definition you are asking someone to play a role of someone they are not, so it shouldn't matter what skin/gender/heritage you have as long as you can tell the story as intended by the production company and that comes down to writing and casting.

Cast an American with a perfect English accent in a WW2 film? I don't care. If the accent is bad then it's a casting problem. The nationality of the actors means nothing to me if they are playing a role that fits with the film.
 
wolfie138 said:
guess idris elba didn't feel noble enough to stand down when there was the kick up about a black guy playing Roland?
guess everyone assumes Skrein was just plucked out the hat at random and maybe wasn't the best one they say at the casting calls? guess everyone assumes they deliberately didn't ask any ethnics to the casting calls?
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Any what, sorry?
 
No problem with him stepping down for personal reasons, but to say it publicly that a character in a film should (now must) be played by an actor from a region puts pressure on the industry and any actor/actress accepting such a role will be seen as bad/evil for taking jobs away from other hard working minority actors/actresses. (What's the PC word for a member of the performing arts who do not have a binary gender?)

Lets also insist that teen love films are filmed with a cast of the appropriate age instead of young 20-somethings that are really far too old to be in high school.
 
Steeps said:
No problem with him stepping down for personal reasons, but to say it publicly that a character in a film should (now must) be played by an actor from a region puts pressure on the industry
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Oh no, how awful it would be for pressure to be put on the film industry.

Steeps said:
and any actor/actress accepting such a role will be seen as bad/evil for taking jobs away from other hard working minority actors/actresses.
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If minority actors are being stepped over, then yeah, that's a problem and should be resolved.

Steeps said:
(What's the PC word for a member of the performing arts who do not have a binary gender?)
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Not sure what that's got to do with it, but hey. Non-binary gender would do. The actor playing girl in Billions, Taylor, is non-binary and was playing a non-binary character.

Steeps said:
Lets also insist that teen love films are filmed with a cast of the appropriate age instead of young 20-somethings that are really far too old to be in high school.
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Well, yeah, that would be good, if they could find decent actors/actresses to fill those roles.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Well, yeah, that would be good, if they could find decent actors/actresses to fill those roles.
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And that's where the argument should stop. It shouldn't matter where someone is from, as long as they can do the job as casting/director/writer intends.

Should JGL have turned down the role in Looper knowing he was going to have parts of Bruce CGI'ed to his face as he didn't look like a young Bruce? That could have gone to a young Bruce lookalike, but would they be able to ACT like Bruce?

Should John Cho have given up his Sulu character after the directors changed the character to a gay one in an un-welcomed tribute to George, or should a gay actor have been cast to begin with because the original actor for the character was. George was born in the USA from Japanese parents, John was born in SK, so neither American or Japanese. John was quoted on his IMDB pages about the struggles of getting roles as an Asian actor, but he took the role of someone who was originally American born with Japanese heritage, neither of which he had and now plays a gay character, which he is not. It shouldn't matter.
 
Is that really a fair comparison? Are there hordes of young Bruce Willis lookalike actors queueing up for roles for people who look like a young Bruce Willis being stepped over by JGL? Obviously not.

The Sulu thing is silly, but again I don't think they were really snubbing gay actors there, they changed the role around him. And yeah, it is a bit weird when you narrow it down so much as to say he was from South Korea and Takei has Japanese heritage, but that doesn't mean you get to dismiss the overall problem of Asian actors being sidelined.
 
Vonhelmet said:
So the pendulum swings back on five roles and you think the job is done?
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No, the problem is there is no pendulum to swing - where are the great lead roles written as non-white characters that are being stolen by white actors?

How many big budget movies is Hollywood putting out that feature non-white actors as leading characters? Probably not many, and those that are - how many are positive role models?

Either these scripts are not being written, or they are not being accepted for development by the studio system. Given that Hollywood seems to be very vocal about equality I would have expected them to be falling over themselves to make more movies centred around non-white characters. Rather than just dumping non-white actors in to roles originally written as white characters.
 
GeezerButler said:
No, the problem is there is no pendulum to swing - where are the great lead roles written as non-white characters that are being stolen by white actors?
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I'm sure there are lists somewhere. I can't be bothered to look them up, but you've got this dude from Hellboy to worry about, so that should be enough for now.

GeezerButler said:
How many big budget movies is Hollywood putting out that feature non-white actors as leading characters? Probably not many, and those that are - how many are positive role models?
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Who cares whether they are positive role models? What has that got to do with the price of fish?

GeezerButler said:
Either these scripts are not being written, or they are not being accepted for development by the studio system. Given that Hollywood seems to be very vocal about equality I would have expected them to be falling over themselves to make more movies centred around non-white characters. Rather than just dumping non-white actors in to roles originally written as white characters.
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Hollywood makes what sells, which is films with white men in. It's lazy and it's easy. It's a self perpetuating problem, because people get used to watching films with white men in so they assume that's what they like. it's why we end up with 8 Fast and the Furious films and however many Transformers films. I could just as well complain about the Bechdel test, although I'm sure you'd merrily dismiss that as lefty feminism or somesuch.
 
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