Who with a 8800 series is getting R600?

fornowagain · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:07

Shocky-FM said:
Don't start, there are no games out that remotely stress the 8800GTX

Played Vegas Rainbow 6 yet? That needs that card for sure.

Anything else but prices.

fornowagain · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:10

Shocky-FM said:
Funny thing is when stuff costs more you have to pay more so you kinda lose money in the process. and what about the resolution? 8800GTX is more then enough even for a 30" Dell.... When you explain how your little plan works you only count the difference between the what the your card sells for and what and the new card costs and completely ignore the price you originally paid for your card and how much its dropped in price since. Thats really clever isnt it..

The way I look at it is: I sell for £350, buy for £450. I estimate £100 from my bank balance to get about 4 months play. Sort of rolls forward. The inital outlay is still there, but years ago. Every 16/18 months I've paid enough for a new card. But I've nothing to show for it, but the current card. So yes a loss.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:11

fornowagain said:
You're not listening. You said the cards were £450, I said they weren't.

Jez, how hard is that?

I understand that fine because I've already explained what I ment. But you knew what I ment from you start and you and others are only replying to that just for the sake of arguement.

fornowagain · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:13

Shocky-FM said:
I understand that fine because I've already explained what I ment. But you knew what I ment from you start and you and others are only replying to that just for the sake of arguement.

No I wasn't. For the umpteenth time, I thought you estimated too high when you first commented and said so.

Darkwave · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:14

Shocky is just mad that he accused himself of having a small penis.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:16

fornowagain said:
Played Vegas Rainbow 6 yet? That needs that card for sure.

Anything else but prices.

Yeah, runs fine here at 1920*1200, not exactly a good game though.. Nice graphics and not much more..

The way I look at it is: I sell for £350, buy for £450. I estimate £100 from my bank balance to get about 4 months play. Sort of rolls forward. The inital outlay is still there, but years ago. Every 16/18 months I've paid enough for a new card. But I've nothing to show for it, but the current card. So yes a loss.

And add the other £100

easyrider · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:17

Shocky-FM said:
Funny thing is when stuff costs more you have to pay more so you kinda lose money in the process. and what about the resolution? 8800GTX is more then enough even for a 30" Dell.... When you explain how your little plan works you only count the difference between the what the your card sells for and what and the new card costs and completely ignore the price you originally paid for your card and how much its dropped in price since. Thats really clever isnt it..

Say a card cost £450
I sell it for £375 (BTW seen BFG goes for this at auction 2days ago.)

Thats a loss of £75 over say a 3 month period. Thats £25 a month to play with the card.

The new card costs say £475

Meaning I plough the 375 back in and get new gen for £100.

You dont count the cost of having the card of say 25 a month as thats what you pay.Thats the fun of it.Its just like renting gfx cards.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:19

fornowagain said:
No I wasn't. For the umpteenth time, I thought you estimated too high when you first commented and said so.

What are saying now? £450 is an unfair average? considering some where goign for £430 and others for £490 at launch I consider that pretty fair.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:21

easyrider said:
Say a card cost £450
I sell it for £375 (BTW seen BFG goes for this at auction 2days ago.)

Thats a loss of £75 over say a 3 month period. Thats £25 a month to play with the card.

The new card costs say £450

Meaning I plough the 375 back in and get new gen for £125.

You dont count the cost of having the card of say 25 a month as thats what you pay.Thats the fun of it.Its just like renting gfx cards.

£450 for new card, sell for £350 = £100 loss even before you buy the new card!!!!

easyrider · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:23

Shocky-FM said:
£450 for new card, sell for £350 = £100 loss even before you buy the new card!!!!

Its not loss though as you have used the card and enjoyed it.

Its just like renting a TV or sky....

25 month for playing games at top whack is good value..

Considering an Xbox game costs 50 quid!

BTW considering I can go out on a night out and easily spend 50 quid plus 25 a month is nothing.

doesn't even affect me

fornowagain · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:25

Shocky-FM said:
What are saying now? £450 is an unfair average? considering some where goign for £430 and others for £490 at launch I consider that pretty fair.

Dude... ???? If you had said the last statement there originally I would have agreed with you.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:28

easyrider said:
Its not loss though as you have used the card and enjoyed it.

Its just like renting a TV or sky....

25 month for playing games at top whack is good value..

Considering an Xbox game costs 50 quid!

Of course its a loss because your selling the card for less then you bought it so you have to count it as a loss. If you buy something new and sell it in 3 months you make a loss. simple as that, you don't just ignore it because you enjoyed the product. Maybe you just ignore the price of buying the new card and just call it a completely free upgrade !

fornowagain · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:29

Shocky-FM said:
£450 for new card, sell for £350 = £100 loss even before you buy the new card!!!!

I (the missus) only care what it costs me to buy the new one. I've already paid that loss. Its gone. How much will it cost to own the new card until the next big step? If you keep moving forward your initial purchase is continually depreciating. In approximately 4 steps you've lost the value of an entire card, but still paid the initial purchase price for a card. But you still have the latest card. So in effect you're continually paying the depreciation. The risk is if you wait to long and can't get a decent price for the last card. The main drawback is having to bridge gaps with a slower card in the interims.

Winston · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:33

Funny how this is still going on :rolleyes:

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:36

fornowagain said:
I (the missus) only care what it costs me to buy the new one. I've already paid that loss. Its gone. How much will it cost to own the new card until the next big step? If you keep moving forward your initial purchase is continually depreciating. In approximately 4 steps you've lost the value of an entire card.

You guys can twist it all you want but your total loss equals lost value plus price difference.. That’s just the price you have to pay for staying up-to-date. You can't just ignore one because it’s inconvenient for you.

easyrider · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:36

Shocky-FM said:
Of course its a loss because your selling the card for less then you bought it so you have to count it as a loss. If you buy something new and sell it in 3 months you make a loss. simple as that, you don't just ignore it because you enjoyed the product. Maybe you just ignore the price of buying the new card and just call it a completely free upgrade !

So its a loss renting a DVD cause you dont own it at the end?

Is it a loss renting Sky cause you dont actaully own anything?

You fully well understand the reasoning behind it but choose not to accept it.

Losing 75 in the initial stages and having use of the card is a lot more agreeable to me than having a card longer than its needed and losing £300 on it.

megatron · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:39

fornowagain said:
You're not listening. You said the cards were £450, I said they weren't.

Jez, how hard is that?

You get this scenario a lot. One person makes a statement true or untrue then someone who disagrees about the whole ethos will try to focus on a little inaccuracy as they see it. This is so that they do not have to directly argue on the point the first person was making.

The second person is laying down the notion that everything that the first person is saying is wrong because he can find some small irrelevant point which is questionable.

In effect it leads the argument off-topic and thus avoids the second person having to ever justify himself and respond directly to what the first person says. Thus side-stepping the chance of ever being proved wrong.

The bigger the ego the more aggressive is the diversionary tactic.

Shocky-FM · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:39

easyrider said:
So its a loss renting a DVD cause you dont own it at the end?

Is it a loss renting Sky cause you dont actaully own anything?

You fully well understand the reasoning behind it but choose not to accept it.

Losing 75 in the initial stages and having use of the card is a lot more agreeable to me than having a card longer than its needed and losing £300 on it.

You would probably have keep the card a year or two to make that kind of loss, how ong you had it for? 4 months? lol

easyrider · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:42

Shocky-FM said:
You guys can twist it all you want but your total loss equals lost value plus price difference.. Thats just the price you have to pay for staying up-to-date.

Which works out cheaper than keeping a card to long.

PhuxAche · 29 Jan 2007 at 19:43

No way! I'm sticking with my 8800GTX on this one!
Besides, by April - June, the next card by nVidia'll be out
which'll kick sand in ATi's R600.

So what if R600's DX10.1 big deal! 10's just out and .1 won't be out
for a long time yet!

I'm an nVid bloke thru and thru!