I don't think so. I paused at the start to let it catch up for a few mins as well and it always only focuses at 22 seconds
Whos at fault here?
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I don't think so. I paused at the start to let it catch up for a few mins as well and it always only focuses at 22 seconds
Seems good quality all the way through to me.
Before I saw the screenie of the road layout I wondered if the car's lane was okay to go right, as there was an empty space at the lights, like maybe that lane is to fill it. Then seeing the left two lanes are straight on, the car driver is just a dick. Hate when they do that.
Does sound harsh, but as a biker you need to try and predict that. Not that it's the bikers fault in any way, but just imaging all cars around you are useless drivers and he might have been able to avoid it.
Before I saw the screenie of the road layout I wondered if the car's lane was okay to go right, as there was an empty space at the lights, like maybe that lane is to fill it. Then seeing the left two lanes are straight on, the car driver is just a dick. Hate when they do that.
Does sound harsh, but as a biker you need to try and predict that. Not that it's the bikers fault in any way, but just imaging all cars around you are useless drivers and he might have been able to avoid it.
While I think bikers can get a bad rep (and I class myself as a biker too), that's pretty clear cut, the car swerves quite obviously at the last minute. For once I don't think the biker could have really done much at all, the car was clearly in their lane following all the other cars, the biker had a nice clear lane, and wouldn't have expected that at all..
I'd say as a biker, you'd be a little wary on the roundabout itself, but once you see people committed to their lanes and having less chance/need for a complete last minute swerve you would be looking for other hazards..
The only shocking thing is the car driving off, shameful.
I'd say as a biker, you'd be a little wary on the roundabout itself, but once you see people committed to their lanes and having less chance/need for a complete last minute swerve you would be looking for other hazards..
The only shocking thing is the car driving off, shameful.
Cars fault imho. But it's an example of why insurance goes up even if you're the innocent party, as the biker could have avoided it if he was driving a little more defensively/slower. Cars fault though. I hope you do present that to the police in case there were other witnesses that reported the number plate.
At first i thought it was the biker at fault, as it looked like he'd chopped up the inside, but after another poster put up a picture of the lanes to show that the car was in the lane to go straight over, and ended up turning, i think it's quite clear the car is at fault.
I think the biker having limited experience will certainly have learned to ride a bit more defensively.
I think the biker having limited experience will certainly have learned to ride a bit more defensively.
Having had a look again in greater detail, I'm pretty sure you're right. Car started in left hand lane and veered across.
In that case I can't really blame the motorcyclist at all.
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Completely agree with that
It looks like the car driver was in the middle lane (on the picture provided) knowing that by queuing in the 3rd lane would take ages to get through the lights and he/she could cut across where the lanes would be clear, the accident is their fault but I would also question what a bike was doing trying to go around the outside of a car on a roundabout (looked like they were going straight on as well not turning right), surely on a bike you have to take a little more time and be a bit more weary of other road users and this is something he/she will learn in time (they are on L plates after all).
Not good that the car driver didn't stop (they may have a little further down the road where it was safe to do so though).
Not good that the car driver didn't stop (they may have a little further down the road where it was safe to do so though).
As i drove past i did glance over to the road and could see no sign of the car.
BUT there is a way to turn around further down there which they may or may not have done.
The Camera that recorded this is the Next Base 412GW
Wifi enabled - 1440p 60Hz recording.
I used Movie maker to splice the video hence why its only 1080p, the actual raw footage is slightly better quality.
I will be handing the raw footage into the Police as advised. Although does anyone know the best way to do this other than going to my local police station?
BUT there is a way to turn around further down there which they may or may not have done.
The Camera that recorded this is the Next Base 412GW
Wifi enabled - 1440p 60Hz recording.
I used Movie maker to splice the video hence why its only 1080p, the actual raw footage is slightly better quality.
I will be handing the raw footage into the Police as advised. Although does anyone know the best way to do this other than going to my local police station?
Next Base 412GW
The video seems in focus to me from the start.
I'm sure the car is indicating left.
Car driver - Oops!
Parliament has acknowledged the seriousness of the above offences and as a consequence, the maximum penalty for failing to stop or for failing to report is a fine not exceeding £5,000 and/ or 6 months imprisonment, although prison is unlikely except in very serious cases.
Andi.
I'm sure the car is indicating left.
Car driver - Oops!
Parliament has acknowledged the seriousness of the above offences and as a consequence, the maximum penalty for failing to stop or for failing to report is a fine not exceeding £5,000 and/ or 6 months imprisonment, although prison is unlikely except in very serious cases.
Andi.
Indeed, embedded youtube videos' won't start in HD, but if you go direct to youtube it will.. nice and sharp from the start..
And I have to agree that the car is indicating left, just to add insult to injury..
I think those are the break lights personally. Look at the still posted above, both sides are lit up. I recall watching the video, they light flickered more than indicated.
** EDIT ** Think it's fairly clear they are break lights.
** EDIT ** Think it's fairly clear they are break lights.
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Looked like the bike was in lane 3, going straight, while the car was in lane 1... 2 at the most, but that looked like quite a lot of wheel movement for a single lane change. Bike thought he had a clear road ahead, no car to go around... Car also looked to slow down just before, compared to speed of other cars, so perhaps dithering just before the lane sweep. Bike looked ever so slightly faster than other cars, so likely just clipping the lights.
There's being wary... and there's being so overcautious that you might as well walk. It's a fine line.
At J11 of the M4/A33, you'll regularly see cars swing from Lane 1 right across to Lane 5 in one sweeping manoeuvre, without indicating. I see this roughly 2 or 3 times a week and have to avoid it maybe once a month. By this stage, though, you're already moving off from the lights and holding warily back will either get you horn blasts, or encourage others to zoom dangerously past you to try and fit in the 6' gap ahead.
Dunno if these lane sweepers don't believe all the earlier signs for M4 West in Lane 5, or what, but they really do leave it last minute and it's always the Wales route... Maybe they suddenly remembered they left the sheep out loose!
Mostly agree, but the biker is a learner, the driver should have clocked this well beforehand and driven with caution.
Driver is ultimately at fault, they have more road experience and were driving without due care and attention whilst being in the wrong lane and attempted to cut through a lane last minute.