why are magic mushrooms illegal

Tefal said:
the main thing isn't being cut etc it's is it what it says it is at all?
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This is where tested kits and word-of-mouth help out. Not every dealer/supplier is out to screw people over with crap gear that isn't what it is supposed to be. Some actually see the value in a bit of quality control leading to repeat custom.

Back when Methadrone first started to be paraded around as MDMA/MDA/MDEA, it didn't take long for people to write off entire batches of gear after horror stories from other people.

Some people tested their gear, and wouldn't stock the fake stuff, as it would hurt repeat business.

Sure, buy off some random, you will probably get duff stuff, but how exactly does the risk of that happening add to the experience?
 
krooton said:
Why shouldn't a person be allowed to choose to do something that in moderation doesn't cause any harm?
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You can choose to do it nobody is stopping you. That was my original point, your making it sound like you are actively being stopped from taking drugs when your not. They are easily available from anywhere.

Burning cars, raping and pillaging are also illegal but it doesn't stop anybody from doing it, don't confuse something being illegal with not having the choice to do it, they are two completely different things.
 
People will do what they want regardless of legality.

At least with alcohol there is some tax money going towards the treatment of the fools who hurt themselves or others.
 
Milkybk said:
Taking drugs is stupid in the first place, most of the time anyway. Hence why you accept the risks before you do it.

Don't try and kid yourself that you have any idea what's in anything you take because you don't.

Things like LSD are cleaner yes but let us not forget that MD used to pure everywhere hence why it was safe. People still say it's pure now, guess what, it's not. As a matter of fact it's not even 50%.

You think you know what you're talking about because you read something on wikipedia. The only way to even begin to understand drugs is to take them, otherwise you're just assuming other people are right. Drugs are one of the most personal experiences you can have due to the fact they effect everyone differently.
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Psychedelics are indeed very personal and subjective, which is why I would never actively recommend them to someone. I'd make it very clear that if they have bad things going on in their lives, anxieties, issues, etc, then it is very likely that these would be magnified.

If you are in a good place mentally and emotionally, with people you like and trust, AND WANT TO ACTUALLY TRY IT, then give it a go. Otherwise you only have yourself to blame if it goes pear shaped.

As for other drugs, I wouldn't really call it personal, there are a pretty sure number of effects that one will experience under the influence of this or that. That pill particularly trippy? Likely cut with some ket, very common from the late 90s onwards. Loads of energy, little in the way of "rushes"? Probably a fair bit of speed or caffeine in there. Little energy, loads of "rushes"? Mostly likely MDA in the majority. A little more subdued with a short high? MDEA. Plenty of energy and a good balance of "rushes"? Probably more on the MDMA side of things, or a really well balanced mix of MDA and speed.

Understanding this stuff is a good. Learning to pre- and post-load with 5HTP correctly is good. Using magnesium to reduce nasty jaw clench to is good. Knowing what the hell you are doing to your body is good.
 
dazzerd said:
Burning cars, raping and pillaging are also illegal but it doesn't stop anybody from doing it, don't confuse something being illegal with not having the choice to do it, they are two completely different things.
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3 things that 99.9% of the time directly impact another person negatively, vs something that can be done without any harm or negative impact on anyone.

Sterling comparison!
 
krooton said:
3 things that 99.9% of the time directly impact another person negatively, vs something that can be done without any harm or negative impact on anyone.

Sterling comparison!
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The analogy was used to express the difference between choice and legality; the rhetoric was designed to illicit a response, which it clearly did:)
 
dazzerd said:
The analogy was used to express the difference between choice and legality; the rhetoric was designed to illicit a response which it clearly did:)
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A choice that is illegal being illegal because it negatively impacts things is fine. A choice being illegal because under certain circumstance it might negatively impacts things, and when it doesn't, poses the risk of negatively impacting the person doing the choosing by way of criminal record, isn't fine.
 
krooton said:
A choice that is illegal being illegal because it negatively impacts things is fine. A choice being illegal because under certain circumstance it might negatively impacts things, and when it doesn't, poses the risk of negatively impacting the person doing the choosing by way of criminal record, isn't fine.
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I don't buy it, I used to use many drugs around the early nineties (to which in some regards I'm still paying the price) I never met any user of drugs get a criminal record when stopped by the police. Hell I remember one time when a copper caught us smoking a bong in the car and we didn't even get a caution :) He told us to throw the bong water away and be on.
 
krooton said:
Psychedelics are indeed very personal and subjective, which is why I would never actively recommend them to someone. I'd make it very clear that if they have bad things going on in their lives, anxieties, issues, etc, then it is very likely that these would be magnified.

If you are in a good place mentally and emotionally, with people you like and trust, AND WANT TO ACTUALLY TRY IT, then give it a go. Otherwise you only have yourself to blame if it goes pear shaped.

As for other drugs, I wouldn't really call it personal, there are a pretty sure number of effects that one will experience under the influence of this or that. That pill particularly trippy? Likely cut with some ket, very common from the late 90s onwards. Loads of energy, little in the way of "rushes"? Probably a fair bit of speed or caffeine in there. Little energy, loads of "rushes"? Mostly likely MDA in the majority. A little more subdued with a short high? MDEA. Plenty of energy and a good balance of "rushes"? Probably more on the MDMA side of things, or a really well balanced mix of MDA and speed.

Understanding this stuff is a good. Learning to pre- and post-load with 5HTP correctly is good. Using magnesium to reduce nasty jaw clench to is good. Knowing what the hell you are doing to your body is good.
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Good post. I don't really touch anything any more but I've done a fair bit of E and agree with with pretty much everything you said. 5-HTP is definitely the dogs proverbials. I still take it every now and again if only for the cracking nights sleep you get from taking it.
 
blah blah blah... they're illegal and have been for a little while... so what? just grow your own.

read up about it, take them, don't be a knob.

the end.

B@
 
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Milkybk said:
Am I to assume you are against powders then? Ketamine is safer than taking pills.
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No, I'm not a fan of dissociatives like ket, it's like heroin without the intense addictiveness. Sure, medical grade is going to be cleaner than any pills out there, but then decent pills and MDMA aren't dangerously toxic any way. Hell, GHB is technically the cleanest of all the controlled substances, with zero ill effect if done correctly. Over-do it though, and you can kill yourself.

Things are better when they are social, seeing people in corners dribbling in their own little bubble is one of the most depressing things that has happened to clubs over the past decade.
 
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