Why are some people so against others doing well

[Catanonia]

Constant replies in threads (normally political ones) moaning that people are doing better than others and they are greedy and don't give others who can't be bothered live better.

What is it about society that makes this happen ?
Why can't you work hard, invest well and reap the rewards without others bitching about it ?
Is it just jealously ?

The more this continues the bigger the spread will become.


Of course I am not expecting any serious answers to these questions in GD

 

[elmarko]

Constant replies in threads (normally political ones) moaning that people are doing better than others and they are greedy and don't give others who can't be bothered live better.

What is it about society that makes this happen ?
Why can't you work hard, invest well and reap the rewards without others bitching about it ?
Is it just jealously ?

The more this continues the bigger the spread will become.


Of course I am not expecting any serious answers to these questions in GD

Look at it the other way.

Why do you get threads in which people moan when they are expected to put back into the system they benefited from?. You are essentially framing the question in such a way which already assumes your base position is correct (or at least a universal truth, the reality is it's subjective based on your own value system).

 

[Edrof]

I can only speak from my own experience, but the older I get, the more I see my wealthy friends become wealthier by stepping upon others. Certainly, some of them are downright stewards of the bar. It's no rule, of course, and some people I know have become successful through grit, work and talent; but it does sour one's outlook a little when you're a bit of a communist at heart like me.

 

[LordSplodge]

You are essentially framing the question in such a way which already assumes your base position is correct (or at least a universal truth, the reality is it's subjective based on your own value system).

Indeed, confirmation bias at its finest.

Personally I don't feel anything either way for those who have done well. Good for them for working hard. However those who get rich and then use every loophole to get richer or get rich off the backs of others, crushing them underfoot on the way up annoy me.

I personally think that if you have made a lot of money then you have a moral duty to help out those less fortunate, be that by paying the correct amount of tax or better yet giving money to charity. Can't enforce that so if you want to do a Scrooge McDuck and swim in your money room then that's fine...

 

[Theophany]

It is a mixture of jealousy and perceived injustice that goes both ways.

Why should X have so much more than me? What makes them so deserving?

Why should I have to pay £X in tax? I don't benefit as much as I contribute.

etc etc.

 

[scorza]

I know, the abuse directed at White Dee is nothing short of disgraceful. A few years ago she was living on benefits in a bad area of Birmingham, now she's earning a six figure salary. Anyone who doesn't earn as much as her should pull their fingers out and work harder, White Dee should be an inspiration to you all!

 

[anything I don't mind]

It is the state education system, most of the teachers are anti-capitalists and they teach the children that the capitalist system is exploitation and the government is help. They don't teach the importance of the free enterprise system at school, that is why most of the people in a lot of these heavily socialist countries are against capitalism and ultimately against successful people. We find the same in france and other european countries with state education systems, where all the teachers are in to their unions and all that. The only exception is germany which seems to teach the children the importance of capitalism and success.

 

[Catanonia]

Look at it the other way.

You are essentially framing the question in such a way which already assumes your base position is correct (or at least a universal truth, the reality is it's subjective based on your own value system).

It is obvious where my position is on this, I believe that if you work hard you should be allowed to reap the benefits without prejudice. However when prejudice is prevalent, the gap between the successful and those not so become wider with resentment from both sides of the argument.

Whether I am right or wrong is not the question.

 

[Edrof]

Why should X have so much more than me? What makes them so deserving?

Why should I have to pay £X in tax? I don't benefit as much as I contribute.

Yes, very true.

 

[elmarko]

It is the state education system, most of the teachers are anti-capitalists and they teach the children that the capitalist system is exploitation and the government is help. They don't teach the importance of the free enterprise system at school, that is why most of the people in a lot of these heavily socialist countries are against capitalism and ultimately against successful people. We find the same in france and other european countries with state education systems, where all the teachers are in to their unions and all that. The only exception is germany which seems to teach the children the importance of capitalism and success.

Lol.

 

[grimm]

It is the state education system, most of the teachers are anti-capitalists and they teach the children that the capitalist system is exploitation and the government is help. They don't teach the importance of the free enterprise system at school, that is why most of the people in a lot of these heavily socialist countries are against capitalism and ultimately against successful people. We find the same in france and other european countries with state education systems, where all the teachers are in to their unions and all that. The only exception is germany which seems to teach the children the importance of capitalism and success.

It's quite ironic really that teachers do this when the government pays their (above national average in the majority of cases) wages and pays into their (rather nice inflation linked) pensions. That's not to say that they don't work hard, because the majority of them do, but then so do many people in the private sector who sometimes/often earn less and have fewer benefits.

 

[LordSplodge]

It is obvious where my position is on this, I believe that if you work hard you should be allowed to reap the benefits without prejudice. However when prejudice is prevalent, the gap between the successful and those not so become wider with resentment from both sides of the argument.

Whether I am right or wrong is not the question.

Everybody should be free of prejudice. Your point is?

 

[elmarko]

It is obvious where my position is on this.

I believe that if you work hard you should be allowed to reap the benefits without prejudice.

Does this apply to having a fairly proportionate share of the fruits of the labour?.

However when prejudice is prevalent, the gap between the successful and those not so become wider with resentment from both sides of the argument.

Of course, we judge our life on how it compares to the rest of the social we live in - all social self-esteem related judgements have a relative aspect.

 

[AGD]

What is it about society that makes this happen ?
Why can't you work hard, invest well and reap the rewards without others bitching about it ?

You questions are based on a false premise. A lot of people who are successful aren't wealthy because they worked harder than others, a lot of the time they got where they are through privilege (wealthy family, good parents, better schooling, nepotism etc).

I work hard, but had many advantages when growing up such as an excellent school, supportive parents, and a fairly wealthy family. It is only right that I give back to society some of what I've gained from it. And it is only right that wealthy people give more proportionally than those who may not have had the same opportunities.

Is it just jealously ?

Why do millionaires want to horde all their money and spend it on extra luxuries which they don't need rather than say, improving education for poor children? Is it just selfishness?

 

[Catanonia]

Everybody should be free of prejudice.

That is impossible as nobody is completely free of prejudice. Anyway this is off on a tangent.

 

[Housey]

Why do you care what poor people think?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Jealousy mostly.

 

[RedvGreen]

Modern day businesses will, in most cases, be ran by Management/Senior staff who have grown up in a ruthless environment, and they have been molded to be the very same.

Cold, ruthless and potentially vindictive in some cases.

Thankfully there are exceptions, however the good guys don't last long as they go against the 'grain', and are sometimes removed from positions of status, influence, power or the company.


Seeing how organisations deal with individuals can be very appalling - lower end staff (Salaries £35k and lower) are typically overworked, underpaid and denied many rights which they have to fight for.
Once you crest £35k, typically entering Management, you are insulated by HR and you will usually advance in career terms very fast.

Taking an MBA used to be fast track to an easy life, whereas becoming an expert in your field will require you to start at the bottom and work your way up, typically with more investment in education, time and experience than management is/was.

I'm unsure if Management has changed, as from my perspective in public and private sectors, I don't think it has.

 

[elmarko]

Why do millionaires want to horde all their money and spend it on extra luxuries which they don't need rather than say, improving education for poor children? Is it just selfishness?

Indeed, it highlights well the subjective nature of how we all view the roles & responsibilities of the population based on it's ability to contribute.

We have rich people who think the wealthy should contribute more.
We have rich people who think the wealthy should contribute less.
We have poor people who think the wealthy should contribute more.
We have poor people who think the wealthy should contribute less.

Personally, I think the poor should contribute more (as a result of getting paid more) which is yet another slant on the above.

It's not like any one socio-economic group has the monopoly on these views.

 

[spoffle]

Look at it the other way.

Why do you get threads in which people moan when they are expected to put back into the system they benefited from?. You are essentially framing the question in such a way which already assumes your base position is correct (or at least a universal truth, the reality is it's subjective based on your own value system).

That's a different question, as this system you talk of isn't something people have opted into, it has for all intents and purposes been imposed upon them, and if they don't conform, face the repercussions.