Why are some things more illegal than others!

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locutus12 said:
well please inform sling media, im sure they will be only too happy to go round to his house, take back his sling box, and give him his money back :rolleyes: . breaking an EULA = civil law, not federal, there's several rather large differences thankfully.
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The fact is, you're bragging about and advocating the use of a product which is directly forbidden under the EULA. The only way you could watch American TV in the UK using a Slingbox whilst abiding by the EULA would be if you own a residence in both countries, you own the Slingbox yourself and you do not share the details with anyone else. Although, as I say, placeshifting hasn't been tested in a court of law yet, and that would only be acceptable under fair use clauses.

And whilst breaking the terms of the EULA may only be a civil offence:

Al Vallario said:
Then there's also the myriad of potential copyright infringements brought about through rebroadcasting copyrighted content and the fact that broadcasters are usually restricted to where they are allowed to broadcast certain content (television series' being released on different channels in different countries, licensed content etc.).
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locutus12 said:
don't forget mr pirate has also bought many many official games and DVD`s as a direct result of illegal downloading because he actually got to try them and liked them (without the hassle of having to go buy the game/dvd , and then take it back to the store because he didnt like it), many of which he never would have even thought about buying.
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well that mr pirate sounds like a frickin idiot. here have a free car. hey i like this free car. best go out and buy the exact same one to show how much i liked it!!!!

IDIOT!!!!!
 
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Then there's also the myriad of potential copyright infringements brought about through rebroadcasting copyrighted content and the fact that broadcasters are usually restricted to where they are allowed to broadcast certain content (television series' being released on different channels in different countries, licensed content etc.).
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whilst i accept your concerns about the EULA, this part isnt correct as its not being rebroadcast. it is a direct live feed via ip. And im not bragging, many on here know about sling media and my use of it, i also know im not the only person to use it in this way on these forums, i simply meant to say there are some reasonably legitimate ways to watch USTV without breaking broadcasting laws and indeed UK copyright laws which are the laws that are the primary issue here.

Mana said:
well that mr pirate sounds like a frickin idiot. here have a free car. hey i like this free car. best go out and buy the exact same one to show how much i liked it!!!!

IDIOT!!!!!
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not if mr pirates free car didnt come with all the accessories, he got his free car, liked it, and wanted full functionality of said car including furry dice. for that reason he went and paid for said car and furry dice.

illegal games and movies are often missing vital parts such as menu systems and multiplayer systems not to mantion packaging. if mr pirate wants these most of the time mr pirates more than happy to buy.


thus sales generated directly through piracy.
 
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locutus12 said:
whilst i accept your concerns about the EULA, this part isnt correct as its not being rebroadcast. it is a direct live feed via ip.
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Television content -> (via cable/satellite/the air) -> Slingbox -> (via IP) -> the Internet

The Slingbox takes the television signal and rebroadcasts it over an IP network. It's being converted/encoded and sent out via a different medium from whence it came. Sounds a bit like rebroadcasting to me! ;)

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Al Vallario said:
Television content -> (via cable/satellite/the air) -> Slingbox -> (via IP) -> the Internet

The Slingbox takes the television signal and rebroadcasts it over an IP network. Sounds a bit like rebroadcasting to me! ;)

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oh all right youve got me on that one ;) :D

but seriously, if its legislated against here in the UK, i will stop using it, at present its pretty much ahead of legislation here(although im sure that wont last for ever) so for the short term i will enjoy my TV.
 
Al Vallario said:
The fact is, you're bragging about and advocating the use of a product which is directly forbidden under the EULA. The only way you could watch American TV in the UK using a Slingbox whilst abiding by the EULA would be if you own a residence in both countries, you own the Slingbox yourself and you do not share the details with anyone else. Although, as I say, placeshifting hasn't been tested in a court of law yet, and that would only be acceptable under fair use clauses.


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Just to wade into the debate a little, he paid half the slingbox cost and half the monthly cable fee, so 50% is owned by him. If that is not allowed then slingbox need to go round to every couples house and take their boxes back because in effect that is exactly the same. Two people are watching and using the device, both paying to use it.

As for the owner being the person who physically has the device in the their house even though that is not 100% owned by him, does that mean that someone renting a TV or similar is the owner? No it doesnt, you dont have to physically have your property inside your house or on your person to own it. If i park a car in somebodys drive does that mean they now own the car, its on their property?
 
gizmoy2k said:
My opinion on the tv shows thing is that they ask for it by giving it to the US audience first, More recently big movies, StarWars and such, have been released globally at the same time which is sure to help.

I was in Florida in July and the movie " The devil wears prada" was out and advertised all over the place, It didnt apper here till like october, by which time it was probably out on dvd in the US and widely available for download as a result :rolleyes:

Also if more companies embraced the tech instead of fighting it there would be even less reason to obtain such progs illegally.

I would happily pay £5-10 a month to download shows like 24, lost in hi def, Would be better value than Tv licence or a crappy sly contract,

Im sure i herad on radio that lost can be seen on myspace the day after airing after they done a deal with sly, its the way forward but not good enough yet !
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Once Lost restarts next Feb, Sky will be showing it only a day or 2 after it has aired in the States. Rumours are that they will be doing the same with 24 as well.
 
HEADRAT said:
Your joking right, lots more people get caught for speeding that get sued for software/music theft!

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Yes, but not by posting about it on a forum. The posting of information about how to circumnavigate copyprotection etc, where to find illegal downloads etc could leave the forum open to legal action if it wasn't moderated. Hence any talk of such topics is not tolerated, the same reason for medical threads.

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So it's OK to talk about illegal stuff that doesn't bring any threat of prosecution to the forum.

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HEADRAT said:
So it's OK to talk about illegal stuff that doesn't bring any threat of prosecution to the forum.

HEADRAT
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Any talk of carrying out criminal activity is normally removed.

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Speeding? <again I'm just interested in the reason that some things seem acceptable (even socially) and some do not>

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Jokester said:
Any talk of carrying out criminal activity is normally removed.

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Numerous people post in the motors asking for loopholes to traffic fines. Granted, they all get told to naff off and take it on the chin by the majority, but they don't get removed.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Numerous people post in the motors asking for loopholes to traffic fines. Granted, they all get told to naff off and take it on the chin by the majority, but they don't get removed.
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What's wrong with applying loopholes? Loopholes are within the law.

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Jokester said:
Speeding isn't a criminal activity as far as I'm aware.

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But dangerous driving is, and I've seen plenty of it in the Motors forum. Take drifting video posts as an example.
Sort of have to agree with what Headrat is saying.
My 2p... ;)
 
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