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Its the way you worded your op that is getting peoples back's up. I do agree that some of the prices people pay on here do sound high, but thats probably because I live up north. I'd never get away with charging £240 for 4 doors up here
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Really?There is a reason these have been historically poorly paid jobs.
General Secondary School education? None.Sorry, what education level do you need to become an electrician?
Is that why so many booksmart "educated" types can't even tie their own shoelaces? Because it's not something they were taught from a book at Academic School?A levels, degree. Thats what people consider an education.
There is a BIG difference bewteen academic education and trade-specific education.Every job required training.
There are trade jobs that take just as long to qualify for their levels of expertise.There are plenty that require exams to become certified but to become a doctor you do 2 years of a-levels, 5 years of medical school, 2 years pre-reg and then you have plenty of other exams if you want to progress.
Actually you do.I know I'm not a qualified electrician. That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't have to be particularly bright to be one
So go do it yourself, then. See how well you manage.We don't pay people based on their intelligence, we pay them based on the job they do.
You can look up medican conditions on Wikipedia without having to attend medical school.....You can be back and forth to college to get a beauticians qualification for years, whats that got to do with anything.
Most of the people they charge have absolutely no idea what skill is involved and what it cost just to get to that level of skill and acquire that level of knowledge, let alone the cost of tools and so on.My very simple point is that a lot of trades charge a lot of money for a job that is not massively skilled.
You don't ask your local pub chef to cater for a White Tie banquet of foreign dignatories either, though. Same as you don't ask a kid with a soldering iron and a year of GCSE electronics to rewire your house.Your local pubs chef probably isn't as good as a michelin star chef and their salaries reflect that.
From a theoretical academic standpoint, perhaps. Same as carpentry. Go watch some videos of, say, Rob Cosman, see how easily he dovetails a joint in under 3½ minutes... but just you try and do it anything like how he can.The simple fact is that the work that residential electricians do is not very hard from a technical standpoint. Same for plumbing etc.
Oh I do. The thought of paying someone £60 to fit a new wall socket or plug blows my mind. I have plumbed in a new sink, replaced almost all our sockets with double sockets, replaced bathroom fans etc and its all really simple. I know you don't pay someone for the difficulty of the work they are doing necessarily but the skill and speed at which they are capable of working but seriously. Plumbing and electrics are a really really limited area in the grand scheme of things. There is a reason these have been historically poorly paid jobs.
No real education? Wow I wish I was allowed to swear on here! I'm glad I'm not your spark if you choose to look down your nose like that. What you have posted has properly boiled my **** to be honest.
Sure in reality anyone with half a brain could probably wire a house but could they do all the calcs to ensure its safe? Yes you can find a calculator online but experience is such a massive part of it. I didnt spend 4 years back and forth to college, many years on site learning and doing god knows how many exams and courses to have some ill advised person tell me I have limited intelligence with no real education. I guess they let any numpty work on it eh?
whenever I have to get someone in to do something I can't do I am absolutely amazed at how much they can charge...
...anyone with half a brain could learn to do it very quickly.
Its this attitude that helped me decide to ditch Plumbing/gas after 7 years and do something else. Used to wind me up fitting a bathroom and having the customer calculate some hourly rate in their head and try and get out of price quoted.
Fitting a basic suite for like 200 quid was considered too much to some. Omg that's like £25 an hour!.
Gtfo.
Things cost money. If you take a day off your highly paid job and do it yourself then well done. Otherwise just accept certain things demand certain rates.
When buying my house I didn't think that my solicitors were ripping me off for what is essentially a bit of pen and paper work. I knew that was just the way the world works. Things cost.
Things like spuring off sockets are simple,
I just did a rewire and was haggled down on everything. Then I learned that the range oven they had bought cost more than the entire rewire job.
Not only had I competitively rewired the house, adding a lot of extra lighting, a whole new kitchen area with plenty of additional sockets, modernised the completely out of date earthing and consumer unit, modernised the meter tails to comply with current regulations. I had also provided multimedia points with power, TV aerials, phone and internet sockets and wired for SKY TV included in that price.
Then they try to haggle over £200 when they've spent THOUSANDS on a damned oven.
People just don't appreciate the work that goes into the job. They begrudge paying a professional to do a professional job but are happy to pay ridiculous disproportionate amounts on televisions, coffee makers, iPads and other such trinkets.
But that's the point isn't it. You don't get to see the craftsmanship of an electrician's work, or a plumber. The unforseen issues that arise during a job. It's just a socket, it's just a toilet bowl.
Look at my fancy food blender, it's got glossy red paint and flashing gizmo doodats on it.