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So you concede that you don't need to constantly update antivirus and spyware programs to avoid viruses on windows. You can just install sandboxie and never worry about them again.
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Just to check energize, you're talking about the sandboxie that costs $25 (soon going up to $30) to register, that has had vulnerabilities in its past and the same sandboxie that has a support forum with nearly 5000 posts about problems people are having with the current version alone?
Can you seriously not read? Nowhere did he suggest such a thing.
See, I can put words in your mouth too!
He said he didn't want to have to update the antivirus and antispyware programs and two dozen updates a month.
Yeah it costs £15 if you don't want to have to wait 5 seconds at startup once per day, far less than buying a mac though so it's irrelevant in this comparison.
Every piece of security software created has had vunerabilites in it's past which have been fixed, so again irrelevant. Nice how you pick out posts rather than threads (590), which is the actual number of people having issues, and even many of those are not actual problems, rather questions. Find me any piece of software that doesn't have some minor problem.
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Running a web browser in a sandbox doesn't prevent a machine getting infected with spyware or a virus.
It's amazing that you've persuaded yourself that running your applications in sandboxie is an elegant solution to one of the issues that people buy Macs for. You're in a Mac forum which is full of people who like their computers to work well out of the box and have no problem paying more for them to do that. You aren't going to convince them to suddenly go back to Windows and run some piece of software that Microsoft don't even want running, just so they don't have to run AV/antispyware/deal with gaping security holes.
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Nor am I trying to, I only ever suggested that viruses can easily be eliminated via using a sandbox and updates aren't the huge issue made out to be, nothing more. The op did ask for a fair comparison after all.
Well you say you don't need to configure anything, yet you say that there are nearly 600 people, on the official forum alone, who are confused as to how to use the software. Which is it?
You say that cost isn't a factor because £15 is less than buying a mac, but if you've spent £600 on a mac and then £600 on a pc, which of the two will need an extra £15 spent on security software? Which one is it?
You admit that every piece of security software has had its problems yet earlier said
You say that cost isn't a factor because £15 is less than buying a mac, but if you've spent £600 on a mac and then £600 on a pc, which of the two will need an extra £15 spent on security software? Which one is it?
You admit that every piece of security software has had its problems yet earlier said
Which is it?Energize said:
Nope, the sandbox will protect against all sources of infection if needed, removable disk, torrent, email etc.
Good example, but I didn't say that it couldn't be true, just that it was overused, IMO. (Often by abruptly militant 'Switchers' who repeat it rather than genuinely having found it true themselves!)
On a somewhat related note, I just realised that I like Macs and I like Mac OS, but I dislike most of the community that tend to surround them :~
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Nobody, and I mean nobody who just wants to use a computer is going to go to that effort.
Virtualization is great for Servers but isn't good for the home and should really not be needed.
Can I ask what you do for a living? Is it working in IT that makes you a virtualization evangelist? (Excuse the pun!)
If you set up every application to run in the sandbox. For the vast majority of users the Mac is still the more secure option out of the box, and does it without being intrusive. I don't understand your argument here, it's a thread about what computer to buy the OP's wife, how is discussing running apps in a sandbox/VM and using Firefox with noscript even relevant?
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Here's another "real world" example.
The wife imports, views, and selects prints to order. She doesn't "do" computers and it all worked out-of-the-box.
Sure Macs go wrong and don't always work as they should but they are in a different league when it comes to effort needed to keep them going/setup when compared to a PC running Windows/Linux.
I never said otherwise.
No. Just trying to maintain some balance.
It seems that way to me, all you've done so far is told someone who works in IT that they don't know what a VM is and then stuck around shouting SANDBOX!! as the only rebuttal to any sort of comments regarding elegant security models.
Just because you spent the time setting it all up doesn't make it a desirable thing to do.
Just because you spent the time setting it all up doesn't make it a desirable thing to do.
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There are some that give us a bad name, you're not wrong, there's plenty of people who insist that Macs never crash - and they're pretty much bang on right, if you don't use your Mac for proper work. That's still better than Windows' record of course, but if you push a Mac, and work it hard, it'll still fall over sometimes.