Why can't they just remove the lid and sip like from a cup ?

Lopéz said:
@dowie , @Angilion , honestly guys, nobody gives a flying one about what temperature constitutes a hot drink, other than you two. Get a room and have your semantics battle there where normal people can't get affected.
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I am sure that if you had read dowie's posts, you wouldn't have directed that at Dowie at all.

A cup of coffee is a cup of coffee. Doesn't matter if it's iced, Luke warm or boiling.
 
Had a mcdonalds last week after Avengers midnight showing, the new straws worked fine for the milkshake i had.
I've got a set of metal ones for home, i love em.
I usually make a really thick protein smoothie after gym and the metal ones are better to stir it with midway through drinking (and it makes me feel all environmentally friendly and ****)
 
If it's not already been said, charge customers for straws like most retailers do now for carrier bags.

They'll do without or bring their own (which hopefully isn't single use...).

*inb4 customers asking for drinks to be dispensed straight in to their open mouths.
 
The cups have a thin plastic liner from memory, which in itself is an issue as it's hard to recycle normally (although apparently there are new versions of the cups that are being made so at the recycling facility the liner floats free).
The straws don't have the same kind of liner.
 
Werewolf said:
The cups have a thin plastic liner from memory, which in itself is an issue as it's hard to recycle normally (although apparently there are new versions of the cups that are being made so at the recycling facility the liner floats free).
The straws don't have the same kind of liner.
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at that point would a paper straw with a plastic liner be better environmentally than a plastic straw?

i suppose the straw would need to be lined inside and out which would complicate things significantly.
 
If you need plastic straws then just stock up at KFC or Subway and you're sorted. That said, i'd love to see anyone try to drink a maccies milkshake with no straw, as it should be enjoyed.
 
Lopéz said:
@dowie , @Angilion , honestly guys, nobody gives a flying one about what temperature constitutes a hot drink, other than you two. Get a room and have your semantics battle there where normal people can't get affected.
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The difference between life and death is not a "semantics battle" unless you're getting very existential. Like, what is life, man?

Do you think that the difference between hit by a bullet thrown at you and being hit by a bullet shot at you is merely a matter of semantics because both are examples of being hit with a bullet? If not, why not?

james.miller said:
I am sure that if you had read dowie's posts, you wouldn't have directed that at Dowie at all.

A cup of coffee is a cup of coffee. Doesn't matter if it's iced, Luke warm or boiling.
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I'm sure that if you had read and understood the posts in question you wouldn't have replied with that completely irrelevant post. Nobody has said that a cup of coffee is not a cup of coffee, so why are you claiming that anyone has?

A liquid that will cause serious injury or death when drunk is not a drink. Doesn't matter if it's coffee, prune juice or molten rock.

But that's not the main point I was making. It's just a convenient excuse for ignoring it. The main point I was making is that different amounts of heat can have very different effects and so it's not accurate to refer to different temperatures that have extremely different effects as "hot" and "hot". That's wrongly portraying very different things as being the same. But hey, it's much easier to ignore that point and derail the point into semantics than it is to address that point. I'm not surprised that some people, including you, chose the easier course of action.
 
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Erm I quite consistently insisted on trying to avoid any semantic nonsense, you quoted me, deleted my question and insisted on starting a pointless argument based on some position that McDonalds coffee isn't a "drink" and also an argument against some claim I never made.

I've never disputed that various hot drinks get served at different temperatures and that this can have different effects...

You're still carrying on with the hyperbole though, I doubt they'll feel the need to update any warnings on the coffee to "DANGER OF DEATH" at McDonalds, I think a warning that the coffee is "hot" will suffice!
 
Angilion said:
I'm sure that if you had read and understood the posts in question you wouldn't have replied with that completely irrelevant post. Nobody has said that a cup of coffee is not a cup of coffee, so why are you claiming that anyone has?
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Sarcasm, nice. Well let's get in to it then.

Angilion said:
a drink must be drinkable in order to be a drink. Drinking a liquid at the temperature McDonalds was serving it at would have been fatal, therefore it was not a drink.
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Was was it then, a bowling ball?

Coffee...is a drink. If it's boiling, it's boiling coffee; it's a boiling drink. It might be unsafe to drink [verb], but it is still a drink [noun]. You can try and argue your way out of that with semantics (' I said drink not coffee!!!') but it wont work.

A liquid that will cause serious injury or death when drunk is not a drink. Doesn't matter if it's coffee, prune juice or molten rock.
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Well that's a silly example. Not all liquids are drinks. However drinks are still drinks whether heat prevents you from drinking them or not, and to borrow from your example to prove a point; Molten rock is still rock, whether it's molten or not...

But that's not the main point I was making. It's just a convenient excuse for ignoring it. The main point I was making is that different amounts of heat can have very different effects
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Something everybody agrees with, so please don't feel like you need to keep making it.
 
I'd dispute that drinking McDonald's coffee immediately after it being served is generally fatal anyway - how many fatalities have they had relative to coffees served?

I'm pretty sure plenty of people have taken a sip of coffee right after being served... granted I don't doubt that you could cause yourself serious injury if you were to remove the lid and try to down it in one or indeed taken big gulps of the stuff.... but that would be rather a silly thing to do and people don't tend to drink coffee in that manner!
 
james.miller said:
Sarcasm, nice. Well let's get in to it then.
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I phrased my reply in the same way you phrased yours. That was deliberate. If it bothers you, perhaps you shouldn't do it.

dowie said:
I'd dispute that drinking McDonald's coffee immediately after it being served is generally fatal anyway - how many fatalities have they had relative to coffees served?

I'm pretty sure plenty of people have taken a sip of coffee right after being served... granted I don't doubt that you could cause yourself serious injury if you were to remove the lid and try to down it in one or indeed taken big gulps of the stuff.... but that would be rather a silly thing to do and people don't tend to drink coffee in that manner!
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The coffee was hot enough to burn completely through human skin in 2 seconds. Unless human internals are far more heat resistant than human skin, the internal burning would be very bad. Severe internal burning may well be fatal.

I'm sure plenty of people have gone to take a sip, realised it was far too hot to drink and not sipped it. I suspect some people have taken a sip and immediately spat it out again when it started burning their mouth. I doubt if anyone drank any.
 
So how many fatalities has McDonald's had vs cups of coffee sold?

FWIW I had several more cups of tea today, didn't burn myself or die either for that matter...

I've generally not had to spit out a hot cup of coffee or tea, I'm quite happy to sip one though... I don't doubt that if I were to take a big gulp out of a particularly hot or freshly brewed tea or instant coffee then that could hurt... but that isn't how people tend to drink tea or coffee.

I'm pretty sure that most people reading this have also drunk tea and instant coffee at home and are well aware what sipping a hot/freshly brewed tea or coffee can be like. Your constant emphasis on death and/or severe burns is rather silly. In most cases even if split you're likely to jump up and not end up like this old lady did... she was in a position (sat in a car) where jumping up wasn't feasible and indeed had the cup between her legs while wearing absorbent material before she took the lid off and spilt it all over herself.
 
dowie said:
So how many fatalities has McDonald's had vs cups of coffee sold? [..]
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So how many people drank liquid hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns to human skin in 2 seconds? If it's a drink, as you insist it is, why didn't anyone drink it?
 
Angilion said:
So how many people drank liquid hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns to human skin in 2 seconds? If it's a drink, as you insist it is, why didn't anyone drink it?
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I think plenty of people have drunk McDonald's coffee I certainly have, in fact I've just made myself a cup of tea and have taken a quick sip while writing this post... spoiler alert - I didn't die.
 
Do you drink McDonalds coffee from circa 90's USA?

If not you're likely not drinking it at the temperature of the case in question...

You seem unable to understand the basic concept of someething being dangerously hot as served, and what you then drink once it's cooled down (or indeed that there are different temperatures of liquids).

If I gave you a lollypop that was served at -50c would you still consider that edible?
It's a lollypop after all and you expect them to be cold (although I suspect you don't expect immediate frost bite).
 
Werewolf said:
Do you drink McDonalds coffee from circa 90's USA?

If not you're likely not drinking it at the temperature of the case in question...
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Why do you assume that? AFAIK McDonalds still serves coffees at a temperature hotter than filtered coffee is typically served at. Plenty of ordinary cafes in the UK do too, if not hotter in the case of black or herbal teas.

You seem unable to understand the basic concept of someething being dangerously hot as served, and what you then drink once it's cooled down (or indeed that there are different temperatures of liquids).
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Nope, but you seem to be ignoring what I’ve posted on the matter. I think you’ll find McDonals has served plenty of coffees, the main danger is if you open the lid and spill it all over yourself, especially if unable to get up and wearing a tracksuit and with the skin of an elderly person. I think most people know to sip at a hot drink initially and not down a cup of coffee like a rugby player drinking a pint.

If I gave you a lollypop that was served at -50c would you still consider that edible?
It's a lollypop after all and you expect them to be cold (although I suspect you don't expect immediate frost bite).
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That’s a rather poor analogy, back in reality it isn’t uncommon for instant coffee and tea to be served at similar temperatures in the UK. It is filtered coffee that is typically served at a lower temperature.
 
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Angilion said:
I phrased my reply in the same way you phrased yours. That was deliberate. If it bothers you, perhaps you shouldn't do it.
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Well that's just it, it doesn't. You're supposedly an adult - take some ownership for the way you post. Don't try to suggest its my fault you respond in that manner? There's not much else to say since you are selectively picking comments to reply to. I could ask you to tell us more about how adults never used straws and originally i did in this post but what's the point, you'll just argue something else anyway and I'm not interested in that :)

Werewolf said:
If I gave you a lollypop that was served at -50c would you still consider that edible?
It's a lollypop after all and you expect them to be cold (although I suspect you don't expect immediate frost bite).
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It's an inedible lollipop. Which is what dowie has been saying is the case with coffee, sorry... "drink"
 
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