Why does the UK hate cyclists?

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No but if you were to drive as if you were expecting a cyclist around every corner where you can't fully see the exit then you would have to drive at roughly the speed of a cyclist (or worse a pedestrian). How often do you do or see that? Like lots of things with driving you forget the reality that you are driving a tonne of metal at speed that could kill you or others on any bit of road where you don't have a 100% clear view and just get on with it, otherwise no-one would get anywhere.

A lot of it just comes down to luck that no-one happened to be in that place at that time or if they are that no-one is coming in the opposite direction.

You should drive at a speed that means you can come to a stop in half the distance you can see, isnt that it?
If that means slowing to a crawl, so be it.
 
No but if you were to drive as if you were expecting a cyclist around every corner where you can't fully see the exit then you would have to drive at roughly the speed of a cyclist (or worse a pedestrian). How often do you do or see that? Like lots of things with driving you forget the reality that you are driving a ton of metal at speed that could kill you or others on any bit of road where you don't have a 100% clear view and just get on with it, otherwise no-one would get anywhere.

You should be able to stop within the road that you can see.

A lot of it just comes down to luck that no-one happened to be in that place at that time or if they are that no-one is coming in the opposite direction.
Now I think you're just trolling
 
You should drive at a speed that means you can come to a stop in half the distance you can see, isnt that it?
If that means slowing to a crawl, so be it.

You should but even at that speed if you are going around a corner and a cyclist is the furthest to the side (as they would be) they could be hidden in a part you don't see until the very last minute.

I'm not saying its right or that I drive at full speed around corners but next time you are going down a NSL A / B road try and look for all the little patches where if the timing was just right a cyclist or pedestrian could be hidden from your view until its too late.

Unless we could go back to the man holding the flag walking in front the of the car there will be always be circumstances like that, its inevitable with 2 objects travelling at such different speeds and as the roads get busier and busier a collision becomes more likely (although at slower speed). Perhaps in the age of automated cars every cyclist will have a transponder then a car will truly be able to see around corners.
 
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Perhaps in the age of automated cars every cyclist will have a transponder then a car will truly be able to see around corners.

I believe Google are looking at exactly that solution and one reason why I can't wait for autonomous vehicles to become mainstream.
 
I believe Google are looking at exactly that solution and one reason why I can't wait for autonomous vehicles to become mainstream.

Makes sense. For automation to work well it needs as much data as possible, whether the transponders will be a dumb "I'm a bike" or smarter unique identifiers (registration in itself.) is a different matter.

With a company like Google it opens the door for phones to take that roll so no further hardware is required but obvious privacy issues.

Could also lead to smarter traffic management (bikes could have priority etc) but on to a different subject with that really.
 
Why do you guys feel this is ?

Because it's well-deserved, at least around here. Cyclists ignore the rules of the road, jumping or just riding through traffic lights, riding on pavements, ignoring pedestrians, not wearing safety gear, etc, etc. I've nearly been run into by cyclists many times. While there are cyclists who behave, many if not most cyclists are complete terrors.

And the police aren't interested.
 
Because it's well-deserved, at least around here. Cyclists ignore the rules of the road, jumping or just riding through traffic lights, riding on pavements, ignoring pedestrians, not wearing safety gear, etc, etc. I've nearly been run into by cyclists many times. While there are cyclists who behave, many if not most cyclists are complete terrors.

And the police aren't interested.
“Many if not most”, eh? I’m sure that can be corroborated with something besides your own personal confirmation bias.
 
You should but even at that speed if you are going around a corner and a cyclist is the furthest to the side (as they would be) they could be hidden in a part you don't see until the very last minute.

I'm not saying its right or that I drive at full speed around corners but next time you are going down a NSL A / B road try and look for all the little patches where if the timing was just right a cyclist or pedestrian could be hidden from your view until its too late.

Unless we could go back to the man holding the flag walking in front the of the car there will be always be circumstances like that, its inevitable with 2 objects travelling at such different speeds and as the roads get busier and busier a collision becomes more likely (although at slower speed). Perhaps in the age of automated cars every cyclist will have a transponder then a car will truly be able to see around corners.


Not a bad idea to be honest but then it'll be just another warning that'll get ignored as it'll be going off all the time !
The same as you can put as many mirrors on a truck as you like... Doesn't mean the driver will check every one at the right time !

As a Car Driver, Truck Driver, Cyclist and Pedestrian (I've got a full motorcycle licence but haven't ridden one since about 1990) it's blatant arrogance of peoples actions that pee me off. If I'm causing serious delays in my truck (narrow road etc) I will find somewhere to ease traffic flow or wait until there's a 3 lane section before overtaking a slower truck. Same as on my eBike, which by the way are getting more and more popular.

Basically... Use your Common Sense, Not your Arrogance.
 
Want to go head to head with my hope vision 4 and lezyne 1500xxl and say "weedy lights" as your retinas burn away?

Still pathetic compared to a bunch of car headlights coming at you in the dark. You will be completely over-saturated by the lights behind you. You will only get seen clearly by light being reflected.
 
Still pathetic compared to a bunch of car headlights coming at you in the dark. You will be completely over-saturated by the lights behind you. You will only get seen clearly by light being reflected.

No way. My own cycle light is stupendously bright.
 
Still pathetic compared to a bunch of car headlights coming at you in the dark. You will be completely over-saturated by the lights behind you. You will only get seen clearly by light being reflected.
What lumen is a typical headlight, pretty sure my bike light is as if not brighter than most.

Edit. Googled it hid are about 3000 lumens so my 4600lumen bike light is brighter.

I hate cycling on roads and only do it when I have no choice, I do my best to keep out of the way of cars since drivers seem to think it's fair to risk your life for delaying them for a few seconds, madness.
 
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No way. My own cycle light is stupendously bright.

Maybe you should consider some private tutoring a bit, foster that brightness, might win a nobel peace prize one day!



//Cyclists, as with all "minorities" (I suppose they are a minority on the roads) are always judged by the weakest links. Those who are either so militant that they think they have to police our roads and make a scene every time someone dares do anything remotely wrong and those who simply don't give a toss about anything and just laugh at the rules. Then there are the stupids, people who are just begging to become statistics, I see it all the time. Massive dumper truck turning left, he's pulled up nice and tight next to the curb but there's a cycle lane there so the cyclist must enforce his right to be there, no matter how dangerous it is. A few seconds later he's squashed and we're now looking to ban trucks / sign petitions / etc because some dumbass cyclist thought that being right was more important than being alive. This isn't hard: you're a soft squishy thing, and that's a massive metal monster with wheels designed to pretty much mash anything unfortunate to get stuck under them. This is a basic life skill: stay the **** away from the stuff that can kill you. Not hard. But there's a cycle lane, so we must use it. I detest cyclists in this country, I really do. I grew up in Holland where the culture is the polar opposite of here. The infrastructure is there, cyclists and other road users are considerate and will happily move over / wait if they're aware they're an obstruction, etc. Being a cyclist in this country puts you on the back foot and whether you like it or not, the second you swing a leg over that bicycle, you become a member of the cyclists faction and will be treated with contempt and often flat out hostility. Most cyclists don't help themselves tbh.

Obviously this only applies to a small group but when that group screams the loudest, it's hard not to judge the entire cycling community on them.
 
The thing i find curious is how in dicussions involving motorist v cyclist there seems to be the polarised opinion of who's fault it was when in many of these discussions if you replicated the incident with a motorcycle instead of a bicycle it would recieve a unanimous verdict from both sides.

I think part of the issue we have, at least the further north you go, that weather and/or terrain mean most casual cyclists dont bother, leaving only the dedicated enthusiasts in a smaller minority. A smaller buch means it takes fewer bad apples to start an escalating conflict.
 
Not sure if anyone covered this already. I have checked, but possible I missed it.

Council tax will pay for most of the roads and pavements used by cyclists. Considering they do less damage per distance travelled and cover less distance than car drivers, they are paying more than their fair share.

As for insurance, I'm pretty sure in most cases the damage a cyclist can do is so low most people can cover the costs personally if it comes down to it. If anyone has to worry it would be pedestrians, not other vehicle users.
 
Not sure if anyone covered this already. I have checked, but possible I missed it.

Council tax will pay for most of the roads and pavements used by cyclists. Considering they do less damage per distance travelled and cover less distance than car drivers, they are paying more than their fair share.

As for insurance, I'm pretty sure in most cases the damage a cyclist can do is so low most people can cover the costs personally if it comes down to it. If anyone has to worry it would be pedestrians, not other vehicle users.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...oman-illegal-racing-bike-detained-judge-says/

Like this, how is this cyclist going to pay for the damages caused here (genuine question, not being a smartass for once).
 
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