Why is CS:GO a thing?
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Such troll. We'll just ignore the ESL Katowice major last weekend then. 1 million prize pool, ~300k on Twitch ~800k in game, plus the other streams and crowd in the arena. Sure BR's like PUBG had the invitational, but still not really comparable.
I'm sure all the "pro" Twitch Apex players will be taking the spotlight real soon though....Plus Apex has done well because of a number of factors, not just timing. It's free, it's very well polished, it's very accessible / easy to pick up and it caters to everyone's tastes - rather than the PUBG / Fortnite split. So you have all of the top Fortnite players and PUBG players, plus players coming in from other backgrounds BF (Stodeh), Overwatch (Mendokusaii) etc
yeah and thats cause csgo is in its position. apex will possibly take that position soon. i guess we will see soon. if money gets behind apex and the esports side csgo will drop off. pubg killed it down but they couldnt utilize the esports side as good as csgo. cause its simple to do for csgo.
Err... since when did PUBG kill CS in any sense of the word?! What on earth are you on about?
Caporegime
Arguing with DG to try and change his mind is like arguing with a toddler, they're going to shout and stamp their feet and throw their toys and no one will have achieved anything by the end of it.
Err... since when did PUBG kill CS in any sense of the word?! What on earth are you on about?
player numbers. csgo dropped from a million to about 400,000-500,000. then it went free to boost numbers again. they couldnt utilize the esports side of pubg though to make it a viable competitor to csgo. csgo is ideal for esports simple to follow. pubg is more complicated. as said it will be interesting to see how Apex handles this. get it right it could be massive esports wise.
its opinion. your not trying to change my mind. you just express what you think on the subject we debating. everyone has different opinions.
Soldato
Dg said:
Peak, although it never hit 900k, never mind a million. Peak isnt a good mesure of the number of people playing a game - peak can happen in an instant on one day and it wouldnt matter if nobody played the game for the rest of the month. Fortunately, we have the average numbers from steam. The average number of players remained impressively stable at around 3-400k from 2016 to March 2018 when it dropped to 266k at it's lowest. It has surged since going F2P though, in fact Jan 2019 was the second highest average for CS:GO at 401k so yeah. Good luck if you think COD4 had any hope of denting those numbers at any point when the peak number of people playing only hit 1,000 three since 2012. No amount of release delaying or alignment of the stars was ever going to change that.
It's really really easy to see that when you look at the figures, even for a simpleton.
hot game in right time frame. doesnt matter name. will have many gamers. you looking at the wrong figures. also not entirely thinking it through. would csgo of been so big with competition ? no. thats pretty easy to understand. thats what i mean about cod4.
if csgo dropped say now for eg. it would struggle. it wouldnt be as big as it is now because there is competition. there was nothing when it launched ! so it cleaned up.
so basically because there wasnt any competitive fps to play you had to basically play csgo. so obviously if other competitive shooters would have been around csgo wouldnt be as big. cant say it any simplier really.
if csgo dropped say now for eg. it would struggle. it wouldnt be as big as it is now because there is competition. there was nothing when it launched ! so it cleaned up.
so basically because there wasnt any competitive fps to play you had to basically play csgo. so obviously if other competitive shooters would have been around csgo wouldnt be as big. cant say it any simplier really.
Soldato
I'm looking at the steam figures, average and peak. they are the right figures. Try harder.
That's what i asked you about COD4 but funnily enough you gave me a different answer because COD4
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That's what i asked you about COD4 but funnily enough you gave me a different answer because COD4
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Have you ever heard of Quake 2, Quake 3 Arena, Painkiller, Halo 2/3, Warcraft 3 or StarCraft? Or any of the other (of which there are many) competitive games that were around during the early versions of CS?
It has absolutely nothing to do with "right place right time", your argument is absurd.
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I'm looking at the steam figures, average and peak. they are the right figures. Try harder.
That's what i asked you about COD4 but funnily enough you gave me a different answer because COD4
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See what i did there?
so obviously you didnt understand or even comprehend that cod4 wasnt played through steam ? genious !
it was at a later date but mainly it wasnt. so figures will not reflect the actual numbers.
Soldato
PUBG would never make it to the masses and be big in esports, as whilst the concept is good, it's a clunky mess of a game in many ways that's taken far too long to get to the state it has. It lacks that gameplay fluidity necessary for becoming one of the greats. Apex is an interesting one as whilst the gameplay is great, I'm not sure tactically it has enough to it for a long shelf life.
Edit - Cs was huge before cod even existed. Nothing about right place or time comes into it. Just had a look - wcg prize of $50k for first the year before cod even was released. That's a lot of cash 15+ years ago for one game.
Edit - Cs was huge before cod even existed. Nothing about right place or time comes into it. Just had a look - wcg prize of $50k for first the year before cod even was released. That's a lot of cash 15+ years ago for one game.
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Soldato
so obviously you didnt understand or even comprehend that cod4 wasnt played through steam ? genious !
It was from 2012 and show me the non-steam figures from then onwards. They wont be massively different.
Yeah, you get the point. You say cod would have been bigger if it was released with csgo was because it would have had access to csgo's playerbase but in another post you say csgo wouldnt have been as big if released when cod4 was, because somehow having access to cod4's playerbase wouldnt have given csgo the same benefits? Blatant illogical favoritism.
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Baffles me how you can compare CS and Apex. I can't see many players quitting CS to go play a game with entirely different gameplay. To many random factors involved in BR games for them to truely compete with CS, if you remove the randomness it just becomes an arena shooter. Doesn't mean i don't appreciate watching/playing games like Apex/Pubg but they really are not going to challenge CS.
BR mode is another fad until another hyped genre appears and all the sheep will jump onto that. CS on the other hand will remain throughout (unless valve have other ideas).
BR mode is another fad until another hyped genre appears and all the sheep will jump onto that. CS on the other hand will remain throughout (unless valve have other ideas).
F2P CSGO is an absolute nightmare. So many cheaters and (surprisingly) even more venomous gamers play it now than ever before. Of the past 20 games we've had as a team, only 3 have had no player who seemed utterly incomprehensibly godlike/lucky every single time.
I'm amazed this impulsive thread I made one week after signing up to this forum is still about.
After giving it another shot recently, I can't say my opinion has since warmed to the game.
I really don't see anything special or impressive about CS anymore. Seeing what they've done to cs_militia was probably the last straw during my 45 minute 'second look' session on Thursday. I think I'd rather hang on to my cherished memories of the much older CS than press on any further trying to convince myself CS:GO is worth playing.
After giving it another shot recently, I can't say my opinion has since warmed to the game.
I really don't see anything special or impressive about CS anymore. Seeing what they've done to cs_militia was probably the last straw during my 45 minute 'second look' session on Thursday. I think I'd rather hang on to my cherished memories of the much older CS than press on any further trying to convince myself CS:GO is worth playing.