Why Nvidia?

[Leviathan]

I was sad to see the 480doing so bad iguess its going bak to the 8800 days those cards used a lot of power and made a lot of heat at the time but then the 9800s came out with less power consumption. So this maybe a 1st version of a good card. I feelthe fact they realised this with the problems itsgot is just a rush job to get a dx11 card in the market wilethey cook up something better (and no not sausages on te 480). im not a fanboy ether but kinda still think nvida will pull things off and worry about ATI's driver issues. Im nearly tempted to get a ATI now im not the slighest fussed about eye ffinity and things would rather have a proper monitors or wait for framless monitors to i care about it. I waited a wile for the NV cards to come out as i didnt really care about dx11 as i felt it was no advantage untill theres cards out there in competition before to it totaly kicks off.

Anyway may get ether a 5870 or 2 5850s for now as i did look at the 2gb 5870 but i dontneed the 6 way infity 1 as im not fussed about eyefinity yet. And dont want to get a 5970 as ive heardits worse than the 5870s due to lack of support.

 

[AMG]

I am aware of games that do indeed use phyX but I can't name many off my head only batman, mirrors edge, crane simulator , few others maybe including ghost recon AWF

3D vision how many people actually use that? compared with eyeinfinty? at this moment in time the glasses are quite expensive and so are the screens

Im fully agree about CUDA however I m with anything that will work with both ATI or Nvidia So it don't matter too much on that. And may I add that is the only time I will get a fermi card, IF I was in software development.

going back to PhyX out off all what Nvidia do bring to market it has to be that, that is guilty of being a gimmick I have not seen it do no more than steam a few bits of glass rag doll effects....you get the picture something like Havok do that, practically when they hurry up and put the damm thing on the GPUs regardless of the company who makes them. just put it simple terms I have not seen a PhyX enabled game do stuff what say red faction gurralia does or company of heroes. Im sure it is capable so why don't it than?

Going back to 3D it has a huge performance hit, so for most of us it wouldn't be no short than annoying.

 

[PCM2]

No, one is 30% slower than the other, but one is also 43% faster than the other... 7fps + 43% of 7 fps = about 10.

30% of 10 isn't the same as 30% of 7.

If you do any number + 30%, then drop 30% off the result, you will not get the same as before you did +30%, you will get less...

One card is 143% as fast as the other, 43 % faster, the other is 70% as fast as the faster one, so 30% slower.


Yeah, both are not really playable, but who plays crysis on that res with AA & AF & Very high Dx10 anyhow ?

Haha. Yes sorry. It's been a long day and my brain is truly fried. And I don't even have a Fermi on top of it. I think some people on this thread underestimate how important energy efficiency is these days. The power draw of a graphics card has huge implications for the overall power consumption of the computer, both under load and whilst idle. I also think that, cost wise, the GTX480 is just a poor choice. For me the only redeeming feature is the support for 3D Vision - but this is not something specific to that card. Everybody's needs are different.

 

[ChrisLandin]

Ive heard the saying before all is fair in love and video cards but this thread is unreal. Im a big big loyalty man and ive only ever used nvidia cards BUT the time has come for people to be realistic. Sure the new Fermi cards have features that the Ati cards dont have and if you specifically use those said features your going to go for the new Nvidia offering. If you want top performance in games TODAY with Dx11 support and you dont worry about CUDA or Physx you will go Ati. For me personally I cant justify all the extra price and heat to go the Nvidia route again so im sticking with my sli'd gtx 275's.
I give credit to you all though for championing the rival camps corners but at the end of the day what will win out in this debate is "what do you need the card for" thats the sensible way to look at it because ulimately both offerings are cracking developments and the industry is only going one way which is forward and im sure in 18 months time the whole debate will be starting again! What would be interesting would be if 2 or 3 players came into the equation, that would really heat ( no pun intended ) things up.

 

[el Kuarlos]

My only issue with fermi is whilst it does seem to sport excellent minimum frame rates, this title of 'fastest single GPU' doesn't hold much value to me...it isn't naturally that fast in my opinion, it has just been clocked stupendously hard to make it that way- nvidia had to at launch because if they didnt claim that title, fermi would have been an unmitigated disaster.

The comparison I draw in my head is a 5850 at 1000 1200 compared to a stock 480, which only the brave or watercoolers would overclock at all significantly.

You are talking a pretty close run in performance wise, with 480 probably edging it and features like eyefinity, crossfire ect don't matter to the standard gamer too much.

I would feel a lot more comfortable with a 5850 at 1000 core in my rig than with fermi, price, power, noise and reliability wise. 96 degrees in specially fresh build reviewers cases is just too much.

 

[kylew]

My only issue with fermi is whilst it does seem to sport excellent minimum frame rates, this title of 'fastest single GPU' doesn't hold much value to me...it isn't naturally that fast in my opinion, it has just been clocked stupendously hard to make it that way- nvidia had to at launch because if they didnt claim that title, fermi would have been an unmitigated disaster.

The comparison I draw in my head is a 5850 at 1000 1200 compared to a stock 480, which only the brave or watercoolers would overclock at all significantly.

You are talking a pretty close run in performance wise, with 480 probably edging it and features like eyefinity, crossfire ect don't matter to the standard gamer too much.

I would feel a lot more comfortable with a 5850 at 1000 core in my rig than with fermi, price, power, noise and reliability wise. 96 degrees in specially fresh build reviewers cases is just too much.

A 5850 at 1000/1200 would be consistently ahead of a GTX480 in everything but the most nVidia optimised game.

 

[el Kuarlos]

A 5850 at 1000/1200 would be consistently ahead of a GTX480 in everything but the most nVidia optimised game.

Trying to be non confrontational

Maybe, and like I say, as the new 5000 series that will be clocked to this level and beyond will show, the power is and always has been there in all 5000 series cards...

so whilst at stock the 480 is the fastest; that seems to be just done for the sake of the title and marketing, not because it is naturally a fantastic development, that is like putting a ball and chain on a 100 metre runner, and telling him to race a fat bloke with a burger on a stick dangling in front of its eyes. Bit meaningless; you can take the ball and chain off the 5000 series, but as is nvidia ain't gonna get their fat bloke running much faster.

I am claiming any and all props due for that comparison.

 

[Randomface74]

I think the 480 would probably be fine if you watercooled it. I wouldn't risk it in an air-cooled system though.

 

[kylew]

Trying to be non confrontational

Maybe, and like I say, as the new 5000 series that will be clocked to this level and beyond will show, the power is and always has been there in all 5000 series cards...

so whilst at stock the 480 is the fastest; that seems to be just done for the sake of the title and marketing, not because it is naturally a fantastic development, that is like putting a ball and chain on a 100 metre runner, and telling him to race a fat bloke with a burger on a stick dangling in front of its eyes. Bit meaningless; you can take the ball and chain off the 5000 series, but as is nvidia ain't gonna get their fat bloke running much faster.

I am claiming any and all props due for that comparison.

Hey, to say that isn't really confrontational, it's simply true, you may get people being confrontational who for some reason can't bare to accept that, but yeah, there's nothing wrong with being truthful even if there are some foolish people who can't/won't accept it.

People are only going on about it because A) they won't buy a graphics card that isn't nVidia, and B) they consider themsselves people who always buy the best.

Their logical conlusion that is if they buy a 480, they're buying the best.

I don't care what these people do with their money, but it doesn't mean it's wrong of me to express my opinions and or talk about such things.

 

[el Kuarlos]

No fair enough, didn't mean you were being, just not keen on drawing anyone into debate on it mate.

 

[AMG]

Hey, to say that isn't really confrontational, it's simply true, you may get people being confrontational who for some reason can't bare to accept that, but yeah, there's nothing wrong with being truthful even if there are some foolish people who can't/won't accept it.

People are only going on about it because A) they won't buy a graphics card that isn't nVidia, and B) they consider themsselves people who always buy the best.

Their logical conlusion that is if they buy a 480, they're buying the best.

I don't care what these people do with their money, but it doesn't mean it's wrong of me to express my opinions and or talk about such things.

I agree with that I don't care what you guys do with your money, I just hate it when they think they spent it on the best when they have not which is fact. Also mock over people that have made the dive with the Radeon

 

[James J]

Why people actually care to the point of hating someone over what graphics card they buy is probably the most retarded thing I've ever seen in OcUK history. In physicsx games, the 480 really does pull ahead of the 5870 and taking all of the benchmarking websites tests into account there is still a 7-8% performance increase over the 5870 in most games. This is also on very early drivers, aka the first set lol. ATI have had 6 months now to squeeze some more performance out of the 5000 series and they have been doing so, nvidia will do the same given time.

Why people cannot accept this is just daft. The only reasons people are put off whe it comes to a 480 is the price. If it was £310 like a 5870 everyone would be all over it even with the temp and power issues

 

[AMG]

thats a much better price, but still no....power+ heat we will forgive it a lot more through

 

[no_1_dave]

ATi are about to launch their own 3D product ...

ATI have never been good with drivers.
3D Vision only works as well as it does because of the way it has been implemented in the drivers. Almost every game works, even back to the first Dues Ex etc. As much as I would like to pay less for the same performance with ATI I dont feel their drivers can be relied upon.

 

[TAC4U]

The way I see it is that nVidia has taken 6 months longer to produce cards with a similar level of performance but with a higher price tag, higher temperatures and lower scope for overclocking. There is no disputing that they are very good cards and offer much better performance in some games - just like ATi leads in others - and that they offer value added features like PhysX, 3D Vision and CUDA. However, it is my opinion that ATi have the better cards for this generation and a further product refresh will only improve that lead, whereas nVidia has struggled to get their current range out.

 

[drak3]

The 480 is the fastest single GPU every made in the history of mankind. Period.

Value for money is a more or less nonsense term, getting extra performance is never a linear function. Buying a car/house/antique/TV that is 20% better than another will never cost you only 20% more money.

Yes, you can overlook. But many people don't want to.
Yes, you can buy a 5970 and have all those issues of stuttering and lack of ATI driver support in games etc.

If you are a high end user who would buy a 480, then you will already have a good enough PSU and you wont care about heat (otherwise you can buy a passive cooled older gen card, under clock your CPU etc).


And that is just performance. Feature wise, Nvidia cards offer much more. Maybe you want a CUDA enabled card, or enjoy PhysX, or appreciate Nvidia 3D support.


And then their is driver support. If you use Linux then you can realistically only use Nvidia cards without getting laughed at. This is the reason I will only ever buy Nvidia cards. I don't give 2 hoots about absolute performance differences. Stable Linux drivers out of the box that are up to date.

And for me CUDA is super important and very interesting. Our lab has pre-ordered a couple of 480 to check out CUDA performance.

Good post

Specifically, linux driver support. I am about to switch to nvidia from ATI because of the non-existent linux support. Products are made to satisfy requirements. Different people have different requirements.

 

[Parsley]

ATI have had 6 months now to squeeze some more performance out of the 5000 series and they have been doing so, nvidia will do the same given time.

This will never grow stale will it? nVidia have had the same amount of time to play with their drivers, they have had working samples to play with for months and they won't have been sitting around going "nah we we will sort our drivers out after we release the card".

The thing in no way matches up to being the amazing performance monster they made out to be when they were singing its praises in late 2009, they will have been working on the drivers already so it wasn't a total loss on release.

I'm not saying their won't be more peformance gains, there probably will be, but saying that their driver team hasn't already had a copious amount of time to work on the cards strikes me as daft.

 

[TheRealDeal]

ATI have never been good with drivers.
3D Vision only works as well as it does because of the way it has been implemented in the drivers. Almost every game works, even back to the first Dues Ex etc. As much as I would like to pay less for the same performance with ATI I dont feel their drivers can be relied upon.

This must be some kind of joke. Nvidia drivers have been known to kill cards as of late. Ati drivers for me have been every bit as good as nvidia's over the years. I have no doubt at this moment that ati's 3d eyefinity will match and most likely beat out nvidia's version as with nv you need 2 cards to even run 3 monitors.

 

[valerian]

480 most powerful GPU, LMAO, if you think the performance difference to a stock 5870 is worthy of best GPU then you're fanboi to the extreme, and the fact it consumes more power than a 5970 and can boil water, yeah decent purchase. 480 is an embarrassment.

http://www.bit-tech.net/

http://www.techpowerup.com/

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews.html?cat=MyxWaWRlbyBDYXJkLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

http://techgage.com/article/nvidia_geforce_gtx_480_-_gf100_has_landed/

i have just had a 5870, from a gtx280, and im more than happy,
2 things with a 480, the heat and the juice, no thanks

 

[demonfatality]

im inpartial neither favouring ati or nvidia
i just look to see which option would be the best
this is the way i would choose all my p.c parts
and at the moment the 5xxx series seems to be the one to opt for



whooo whooo go ATI
5xxx seris rocks the king is dead.....long live the KING