Why...the question is why?
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gurdas said:
Really? perhaps you have point. I think those actions you describe fits in well with the profile of Millwall fans.
Erm, seriously i think i see your point but what i was trying to imply in my original post was those who refuse to play by the rules should either start doing so or find other alternatives.
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Awesome, a thread about Muslims & immigrants and how they should change to fit in better and are terrorists, and if they don't like it they should leave.
I'm glad you brought it up tbh, because a thread like this hasn't been done before on OcUK.
I'm glad you brought it up tbh, because a thread like this hasn't been done before on OcUK.
ElRazur said:
No, I dont agree. The society is imploding. You can see it in the way people treat themselves. Too many people are self destructing and that is a reflection of the social fabric. it will only get worse until there is a major change in the values we teach and the code we live by.
TBH, i don't know what their problem is. They have a chance to make a good life for themselves, yet they still want to carry on down the path that will lead them to kill hundreds/thousands of people. El, i don't think we can really get into the mindset of these people, they have something very different on their agenda for life, than me and you do.
Also i find it worrying that 50% of Muslims want Sharia law in the UK or summit, as featured in another post a couple of days ago.
TBH i think its all take take take from these people who give nothing back. You live in England, we're not expecting you to hang St Georges flag from your windows, or sing the national anthem every day. Just don't blow the country up, don't leech off of the rest of the country and earn some respect.
That surely isn't too much to ask is it?
Also i find it worrying that 50% of Muslims want Sharia law in the UK or summit, as featured in another post a couple of days ago.
TBH i think its all take take take from these people who give nothing back. You live in England, we're not expecting you to hang St Georges flag from your windows, or sing the national anthem every day. Just don't blow the country up, don't leech off of the rest of the country and earn some respect.
That surely isn't too much to ask is it?
sphen said:
Do you really think they play by the rules? Why aint someelse practising other main stream religion be responsible for Terror plot, Bomb scare etc in the UK, why does it happen so that everytime an arrest is made...suprise, surprise they turn out to be Muslims? Coincidence?
Why dont we get other religions trying to blow up innocent people here at home? could this be because they play by the rules and respect the laws of the land?
cymatty said:
Personally, i dont even think it is about being british or not. What my view is this - why do you stand, why does you allegiance lie? You are either with us or against us.
I get mad when i hear phrases like "britsh-muslim of pakistsani origin", I dont care where your origin is from, what matters is this, if you are living and making your living here or better still once you are here, you abide by the rules and know that YOU ARE WITH US. If they dont like it tough.
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ElRazur said:
In a nutshell El, and this is my humble opinion, people are sometimes blinded by religion.
Be it Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Christianity or whatever, there is always a splinter or extremist group of religion or belief who delude themselves by thinking that killing themselves with carnage and destruction will bring them heavenly rewards in the promised land.
The Madrid bombings highlighted which countries stand and fight and those that do not. Spain, again in my humble view, rolled over, withdrew troops and lost face. That is another argument though and will no doubt provoke a response.
As critical as people are of Britain and the United States and their foreign policy and that includes me, they are not nations that will roll over and withdraw troops from Iraq, Afghanistan etc when terror plots are successful or thwarted. These policies however, cause a lot of resentment amongst indiginous people of the countries occupied and also ex-pats and migrants to the UK and US. The Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Tarique Ghaffur and Britain's most senior muslim officer, said there were a lot of angry and resentful young Muslims in this country and he is right. That resentfulness and anger can lead to extremism if the mind-set is right and groups such as Al-Qaeda see these people with that mind-set as fertile recruitment ground. 9/11 and 7/7 show how far people will go whether Al Qaeda sponsored or not.
ElRazur said:
You have misinterpreted what I have written. They are not playing by the rules, what can you personally do about it? Sure you can write a nice theatrical post, that has a hint of a desire for civil war, but lets face it you and I can't do much about the situation.
Personally, I'm equally if not a little more concerned about our increasing crime levels in this country. Black-on-Black, the Gun problem and drugs are killing and destroying more lives.