Why...the question is why?

cleanbluesky · 11 Aug 2006 at 14:40

I wish the media wouldn't enforce the stereotype that Muslims are motivated by 'injustice' - its a lie they feed to themselves. After all, they are quite happy for Muslims to be opressed/killed by other Muslims - the problem starts when non-Muslims are involved. And this segregation attitude is a product of Islam itself.

Visage · 11 Aug 2006 at 14:55

I blame hip hop.

philio16 · 11 Aug 2006 at 15:12

I can honestly see why many immigrants don't want to fully integrate into our society. Look at 'white trash' or 'trisha trash' or whatever you call it, binge drinking, obesity...just to name a few problems with our society. Most immigrants are hard working honest folk and to be honest I'd rather they were there running my corner shop 7am - midnight 7 days a week or doing whatever job they please, instead of causing the trouble seen for example as a result of too much alcohol on a saturday night or having babies at the age of 13.

cleanbluesky · 11 Aug 2006 at 15:15

philio16 said:
I can honestly see why many immigrants don't want to fully integrate into our society. Look at 'white trash' or 'trisha trash' or whatever you call it, binge drinking, obesity...just to name a few problems with our society. Most immigrants are hard working honest folk and to be honest I'd rather they were there running my corner shop 7am - midnight 7 days a week or doing whatever job they please, instead of causing the trouble seen for example as a result of too much alcohol on a saturday night or having babies at the age of 13.

Remember kids, as long as the target is white British - your prejudiced comments are fine...

EDIT: Ye gods, i sound like Visage or Penski... only NOT

If Mr and Mrs Akram and their son Jihadi Patel don't like UK they shouldn't be here

ElRazur · 11 Aug 2006 at 15:19

philio16 said:
I can honestly see why many immigrants don't want to fully integrate into our society. Look at 'white trash' or 'trisha trash' or whatever you call it, binge drinking, obesity...just to name a few problems with our society. Most immigrants are hard working honest folk and to be honest I'd rather they were there running my corner shop 7am - midnight 7 days a week or doing whatever job they please, instead of causing the trouble seen for example as a result of too much alcohol on a saturday night or having babies at the age of 13.

I see your point but i dont agree with you! I dont see any white trash or indigenous people acting all stupid, what i see is another country with her own set of problems. Compare this part of the world to some other places of equivalent and you will see that we aint doing that bad.
Binge drinking is not the end of the world while obesity is more as a result of our lifestyle overall - too comfortable and we eat unhealthy foods.

As for teenage mothers, perhaps you might wanna visit countries where the age of consent is lower than ours (i wont give examples).

philio16 · 11 Aug 2006 at 15:32

cleanbluesky said:
Remember kids, as long as the target is white British - your prejudiced comments are fine...

EDIT: Ye gods, i sound like Visage or Penski... only NOT

If Mr and Mrs Akram and their son Jihadi Patel don't like UK they shouldn't be here

Nothing I said was intended to be predjudice, our society is going futher and futher down hill day by day. Living very close to a city centre as I do you will no doubt see this.

And if you meant the corner shop comment....then it was the first thing that popped into my head because I had visited about 30 mins ago

I know a lot of immigrants are highly skilled people such as doctors, who also put in more than their fair share of hours to keep the country running.

ElRazur - we are not talking about any other country though, and with lower ages of consent I'd expect younger mothers to be honest. All the problems I listed are correctly not the end of the world, but they are indeed problems, ones which I, nor any self respecting person (immigrant or not) would have anything to do with. So why are they increasing? Only a lack of respect for ourselves and each other.....ie..a downhill society.

cleanbluesky · 11 Aug 2006 at 19:46

philio16 said:
Nothing I said was intended to be predjudice, our society is going futher and futher down hill day by day. Living very close to a city centre as I do you will no doubt see this.

And if you meant the corner shop comment....then it was the first thing that popped into my head because I had visited about 30 mins ago I know a lot of immigrants are highly skilled people such as doctors, who also put in more than their fair share of hours to keep the country running.

1) I've seen exactly what you are talking about, but this country is fairly big and there are certain areas that are completely different from that. I do not believe that the image of a prosperous Britain, nor a scummer charver Britain is representative of the population as a whole.

2) I know a lot of immigrants of all types, but this aint about immigration other than the fact that a lot of Muslims are immigrants. Islam is becoming a problem in this country, just like most other countrys with a significant amount of Muslims. If they collectively don't get what they want, violence follows. Consistently. Violence follows.

cleanbluesky · 11 Aug 2006 at 19:57

Let me be blunt about ElRaz, I used to think he was a nobber until he kept posting and posting and now I think he is a top bloke. He has come from a very different place and has seen more than the vast majority here, including having a knowledge of living in an Islamic country that is probably unparalleled for the forum.

There are a few people here who either do not posess a reason for their objection against ElRaz's opinion or are having difficulty expressing it. Please dont fill the thread with tripe, unless you can adequetely reason. Remember that dramatic posuturing does not make you right, even if you think it makes you look good to those that already agree with you. Have an argument. Engage.

ElRazur · 11 Aug 2006 at 20:27

^^ Man....in one word. Thanks.

VeNT · 11 Aug 2006 at 21:21

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD POST IT IN SPEAKERS CORNER!

won't sombody think of the children?

ElRazur · 15 Aug 2006 at 18:53

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4793477.stm

British Muslims are "in denial" about extremism in their own community, Labour MP Shahid Malik has said.

He urged Muslims to "wake up" and "take responsibility" for challenging "twisted" interpretations of Islam.

Muslims were "frustrated and angry" about UK foreign policy but that did not excuse terrorism, said Mr Malik.

So true.

WantoN · 15 Aug 2006 at 19:54

ElRazur said:
i have a big question mark on my head.

I'm hardly suprised considering the nonsense you've just spouted. Try not to tar all of a certain people with the same brush. There are some valid points hidden in the deepest depths of your post, but it'd be quicker to start thread bajillion + 1 than wade through it all.

The lovely thing about making a post so ridden with generalisation and lacking any substance, is that when someone raises a valid point about anything worth mentioning, you can just claim you meant something else. What a stupid, pointless thread.

Ant :cool:

FishPolice · 15 Aug 2006 at 23:37

tbh I agree with the OP.
I reckon most of the problems we have in this country lie with an over fascination with political correctness & not enough generalisation. Keep it simple imo. If these extremists hate the west so much then they ought to clear off and leave the rest of us to get on with it.
Yeah I think the US of A is a gungho & immature race & their foreign policies wind me up no end, and I hate the way our government get carried along with them time & time again, but sitting back enjoying the good things our western way of life have to offer whilst at the same time plotting to kill as many of us as possible seems a wee bit like taking the proverbial. imo.
Feel free to flame me -it's only my opinion & I seem to be getting less & less tolerant the older I get

Dugganator · 16 Aug 2006 at 05:22

FishPolice said:
tbh I agree with the OP.
I reckon most of the problems we have in this country lie with an over fascination with political correctness & not enough generalisation. Keep it simple imo. If these extremists hate the west so much then they ought to clear off and leave the rest of us to get on with it.
Yeah I think the US of A is a gungho & immature race & their foreign policies wind me up no end, and I hate the way our government get carried along with them time & time again, but sitting back enjoying the good things our western way of life have to offer whilst at the same time plotting to kill as many of us as possible seems a wee bit like taking the proverbial. imo.
Feel free to flame me -it's only my opinion & I seem to be getting less & less tolerant the older I get

I agree with what you have said completely