Why the Wii needs to fail!

FrankJH said:
Im confused, how can anyone else do your R&D on a top secret product (which is basically what any console is nowadays from the sheer amount of ££ they can generate)?

No - one needs to set up a fab plant, just because the design of the cpu/gpu is new, doesnt necessarily mean a new plant at all. Very rarely is this required and certainly Sony, MS or Nintendo havent required to build their own

Yes a single componant can be designed externally (like all your examples) but each console manufacturer still requires their own speciific R&D to be done internally (even on a shared project, the majority would still be internal to the project rather than a 3rd party) all those products you mentioned where already on the market being used in different devices. Even the original Xbox had a significant amount of R&D even though it was just a modified pc (I dont know whether MS had assistance in the design by Intel , but undoubtedly nvidia helped ( I think they did the graphics chip)

Putting all the componants together takes time and money (not to mention speciific O/S, firmware etc and external design

I dont think you were looking at the big picture :)
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I think you missed the point about R&D being done externally. I think it's more to do with a particular chip being done by an external source, not the entire console R&D done externally.

Why would it be a problem for another company to do R&D on a 'top secret' project anyway? Would IBM, Toshiba, Panasonic or any other huge electrical company get away with spilling the beans or, even more so, actually tell anyone? I don't think it would be worth the breach of contract.

In any case, wouldn't Nintendo just R&D what they wanted the console to do, the pads, the medium games come on etc and then work with IBM, Panasonic and ATI, as per, to produce the components.

Don't forget, the Gamecube put out some of the nicest graphics on any of the last gen and was the cheapest. It was released in 2001 too, same year as the Xbox; and about a year after the PS2. There's no reason why Nintendo couldn't compete technologically - not that I think they'll try. :)
 
FrankJH said:
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Dunno what you're going on about now... I just said it was cheaper for console manufacturers to outsource things like CPU design to companies that know how to produce CPUs. Other companies contracted to produce components for any such project are also going to be under an NDA, most probably with heavy penalties for breach.
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I don't think putting components together to make a console is a problem for Nintendo though - a company that has more experience putting together consoles than any other... What we're discussing is pretty irrelevent to the thread though to be honest. :p

Like I said, if Nintendo want to produce a super-duper high end machine with the latest graphics next time around, they will do. :)
 
nintendo will release what they think we will want, and looking at DS and Wii says i say they are usually not far off the mark. Their only console that actually risked flopping was the N64 i would probably say, and thats only because masses of people had chipped playstations and were buying the games for £5 off the dodgey man that smelt of rollies down the street.
 
I can't believe how anyone can put down the Wii and Nintendo. They are the only ones to truly innovate this generation and I respect them for that. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are just more of the same, only better graphics. Woop-de-doo.

I can't believe that any serious gamer would be satisfied if the gaming industry turned completely stale and instead of innovating just improved graphics generation after generation.
 
GarethDW said:
True, but I like your posts because Alizée is a good looking lass, so keep going.
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I <3 Alizee
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Whilst I haven't got any of the next generation of consoles at the moment, I'm torn between all three. I'd love a blu-ray player, and Gran Turismo is one of my favourite games ever, which makes me want the PS3. My PC is pretty awful by today's standards, and the Xbox 360 has some superb ports of PC games (Oblivion and FPS games et al), which makes me want that... then there's the Wii which is just really different. It's really very difficult, I'll make a decision when they're all really cheap, probably. :o
 
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come on guys..... Nintendo are doing well so lets stop making realistic games and make what we hate..... fantasy games.

i can imagine Rockstar cancelling future manhunts and GTA's to make a game for the Wii called super care bear jungle picnic!

Just because one console is going into the virtual reality side of things doesnt mean every game developer will...

I have a Wii, 360 & High end PC..... I play Crysis type games on PC, games like PGR/Forza on 360 and MArio on my Wii....

Simple.
 
daz said:
Dunno what you're going on about now... I just said it was cheaper for console manufacturers to outsource things like CPU design to companies that know how to produce CPUs. Other companies contracted to produce components for any such project are also going to be under an NDA, most probably with heavy penalties for breach.
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I don't think putting components together to make a console is a problem for Nintendo though - a company that has more experience putting together consoles than any other... What we're discussing is pretty irrelevent to the thread though to be honest. :p

Like I said, if Nintendo want to produce a super-duper high end machine with the latest graphics next time around, they will do. :)
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I said all that for you, about 24 mins before you posted! :p :D
 
The only problem I have with the wii is the fact that you cant get demos for the blinking thing.
Theres so many games I want to try out but dont want to waste money on (mp3 mario galxey SvR 2008 ect) if they turn out to be crap.
If I could get demos of these games then I could at least try them out and not waste the money if they are crap.
 
altho a lot of people on this thread have said its fun and innovating, i can say that its damn boring after a while, i mean, most games the controls are very much the same, swing like this to do that swing like this to do somthing else. its great for the first month or so but after that i just want to but down the nunchuck and have a controller. their games arnt that innovating fun and new. the concept of waving your arms around to do it is. the games have been done before, i mean wii sports, or all the stupid tennis games on it, andbody remember pong?

my point : it gets boring....fast....
 
stuman said:
altho a lot of people on this thread have said its fun and innovating, i can say that its damn boring after a while, i mean, most games the controls are very much the same, swing like this to do that swing like this to do somthing else. its great for the first month or so but after that i just want to but down the nunchuck and have a controller. their games arnt that innovating fun and new. the concept of waving your arms around to do it is. the games have been done before, i mean wii sports, or all the stupid tennis games on it, andbody remember pong?

my point : it gets boring....fast....
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How many games have you played on the Wii?
 
Bossy papa said:
i'll only get a wii when it comes down in price ,about £49.99 until then i'll practice by waving my arms about .
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What a genius idea! I can save on buying a 360 by just sitting on the sofa, twiddling my thumbs, and getting an American to shout abuse at me. It's practically the same!
 
Playstation 3, Black shiny console, Hardly any games, and hardly any WORTH considering, Only worth considering at this moment in time for its Media capabilities. Console price sends my eye's dizzy and so do the game prices.

Xbox 360, White console with as many games than you an poke a stick at, 30% Failure rate but no problem as you get a 3 yr warranty, Controller that feels sleek and comfortable in your hands, great co-op experiences. Cheap console with lots of upgradability choice.

Nintendo Wii, Tiny White box, a lot of brilliant innovative games and a lot of games that will want to make you choke up your own turd, (i feel) pick up and play controller, a lot of unnecessary addons, great potential and the fact that we all cant wait for a star wars First person game to come out.

Too me, Xbox and Wii are only worth considering at the moment. so change the title to "Why the PS3 will fail". bought the psp and its typically the same as the PS3, hardly any games worth getting considering that the DS is a far greater console.
 
I think the thread is totally rubbish myself, the wii has to fail what a load of carp.. The Wii has to Succeed due to the fact that it has been released by nintendo, they are the innovaters in the gaming market.. It was the next logical step and I can't believe that sony or microsoft gave it to them on a platter to expliot...
 
peetee said:
Their only console that actually risked flopping was the N64 i would probably say
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In terms of sales the only "console" (using its popular meaning—one that plugs into a TV—so disregarding the Virtual Boy etc. :P) coming close to a failure was the Gamecube. Most certainly not the N64.
 
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