Why the Wii needs to fail!

[james.miller]

...A perfect picture at a lower res, while very good quality, is still not any closer to HD than anything else at that res.

you know, a well encoded dvd is actually very much better than most people realize. its not hd of course it isnt, but thats not the point. what let dvd down the most was the encoding which varied substantially from one title to the next. but when they got it right, they still look great

 

[Hitman_Leon]

The wii is a laugh and a half, so gfx are not top shelf and the controller seems fiddly but its good and it keeps my kids occupied for hours, me also when I can find a game I can play with the console controllers for me its a tad of a problem as my thumbs are almost paralysed but I have the same problem with all the consoles in that department. The thing is it sits happy with a 360 and a ps3 under my tv and its worth having no matter what anyone may consider a drawback because with the right games its fun and why else do any of us play games.

The strangest thing is people who want it to fail, sega fell out of the hardware business and SNK went down the tubes as did Atari back in the days of the Jaguar now Nintendo who have made a lot of the inovations that appear in a lot of the games we all enjoy on every platform are the last remaining piece of the pioneers in the home games console market. They should have every success because they helped us as gamers by developing a platform idea before the platform ever existed. Also while ever there are three home platforms in the console market innovation will continue to give us gamers better ideas and games to play as the brands try to out do eachother with ideas to try bring them our custom and brand loyalty. In turn three players also helps keep down the prices of hardware to some extent for the same reason to try and get us to buy their platform and not the other brands wares.

 

[jrodga2k5]

I actually cant count the ammount of times so far iv had my mates round for a few beers before we head out and we end up chucking Wii Sports on for a bit of a laugh! Simple, addictive, anyone can play fun! Cant beat it really! Plus serious gamers know they are getting their fill with the Wii also! I see lots of fanboyism on the net but this was pretty terrible!

Nintendo has basically taught Microsoft and Sony a lesson! The fact you readily cant go into a shop and buy them says it all! Im seeing a bunch of shelves with "out of stock" on them next to the Wii and also the DS this Christmas!

 

[FrankJH]

And the 'electronic expertise' of Nintendo is...?

A huge amount less than the whole Sony Corporation (it doesnt really take that much thought does it?)

And wth, if Nintendo used their profits, why the hell would they end up making even bigger losses than Sony? Bearing in mind I'm not talking about a Nintendo equivalent to the power of the PS3, just something that kept up a bit more than their 'overclocked Gamecube'.

Because of Sony's general expertise (not to mention IBM and Toshiba) it would probably cost Nintendo a lot more to produce the same machine, rather than developing BR, a new cpu etc etc

(obviously it doesnt make sense if you NOW only want 1/2 of a ps3 or whatever, but then its a pointless discussion)

i can show you screen captures of gladiator and even american history x upscaled on my lcd. they look nothing short of amazing they really do

The problem is James that few production companies actually put that much effort into DVD reproduction (especially with the prices of most films on sd dvd being around £3, the production companies can argue that its a throw away item in the first place)

Yes individual films (havent seen American History, but Gladiator does look incredible) can look
great, but the average - especially on larger screens look comparitively dreadful imo anyway

(oppss didnt see your last post which said a similar thing - IF all SD's looked that great there wouldnt be a problem (-: )

 

[trickards]

Good graphics do not make a good game. I've pretty much every console going and the Wii is the only one that has lasted more than 3 months. I've gamed on pc for years, i would consider myself a fairly 'serious gamer', and i love the Wii.

Please get back to fifa, and stop wasting the forums server space.

 

[Bonjour]

'Serious Gamer'??

What elitist nonsense.

 

[Syph]

I bet a lot of 'hardcore' or 'serious' gamers aren't either. They probably play their FPS games a few nights a week and because the graphics are top notch and because they're killing Nazis or terrorists or the odd 13 year old American on Live, that's what they class themselves as.

I'm a casual gamer, but that doesn't mean I won't play Zelda for 2 or 3 hours straight (which is far beyond casual) when I can. It doesn't mean I don't like serious games either - it's just that I'm 23 now, I have a daughter, I have a job that doesn't end at 5pm and a house. I couldn't be a hardcore gamer if I tried!

 

[nbkpsycho]

You must be serously board to posting this mate

 

[Margaret]

(which is far beyond casual)

No way!

 

[Syph]

No way!

I like to sink back to being a kid again on a Friday evening every so often.

 

[Columbo]

FFS who cares, there's a carp load 'o' fun to be had on all gaming platforms so just STFU and play.

Oh and the 'serious gamer' thing made chuckle a little bit.

 

[Kreeeee]

If you are a serious gamer, then the Wii needs to fail..

Currently it's at the top of the next gen. Nintendo's shares have soared, the thing is a massive hit. It's brought Nintendo back into the non-portable console market. BUT the thing is it's a last gen machine that has a few fancy tricks up its sleeve.. Namely the nunchuk and a few innovative games. Nothing more !

What does this mean to us the serious gamer? Well going by what nintendo has done, then why should Sony or Microsoft bother taking technology further for their next console. They'll think lets save millions in R&D and just slap on a few innovative gadgets and market the thing like it's the next best thing since sliced bread.

Since gaming began, I've always been excited at the new technology and what its brought into gaming. Namely graphical prowness. I think the Wii is bad for the gamer. If it's a commercial success, then others will follow in its trail, and the next gen machines will not cost as much at the sacrifice of the latest techology.

Don't get me wrong. I love games and gaming, and hats off to Nintendo.. But my opnion is if it's marketed as next gen, then that is exactly what it should be. My worry is that next gen will no longer be something to get excited about.

So you say "serious gamers" should only care about graphics?

 

[daz]

Just work this out before talking ****

Sony are selling at a huge loss, while N are selling at a profit (for "old " hardware)

The only way N could even attempt to sell something as advanced as the PS3 is by "using" the profits of the wii and having heavier losses per unit than Sony already are (which is highly unlikely given the electronic expertise of Sony in general)

I have a feeling Nintendo will always be a generation behind (in hardware terms) and keep the profit per unit sold high

You do realise how rich Nintendo are/were, right?

You realise that even when the Gamecube was out, they were still making a stupid amount of money? And that Nintendo made more profit last year than the entire Sony conglomerate?

Go and check NCL's last financial statements if you like.

Because of Sony's general expertise (not to mention IBM and Toshiba) it would probably cost Nintendo a lot more to produce the same machine, rather than developing BR, a new cpu etc etc

CPU design etc tends to always be outsourced to companies that know how to produce CPUs... Sony have kind of gone against the flow with the cell and the emotion engine processors.

 

[FrankJH]

You do realise how rich Nintendo are/were, right?

You realise that even when the Gamecube was out, they were still making a stupid amount of money? And that Nintendo made more profit last year than the entire Sony conglomerate?

Go and check NCL's last financial statements if you like. ]

Becaue they are making profit per unit - which is what I said. All I was meaning is that they are unlikely now to go back on that method and start selling units for a loss (not to mention the amount of loss MS and Sony make per one sold)

Im not knocking their method, Im just saying that therefore they will probably still be one step behind (to keep profits high), rather than come back in generation or two where initial costs are astronomical, all the parts are pretty costly and per unit of hardware is sold at a loss

CPU design etc tends to always be outsourced to companies that know how to produce CPUs... Sony have kind of gone against the flow with the cell and the emotion engine processors.

I dont disagree with that - but even so Sony have always been premier "packagers" of equipment, and surely you have to agree outsourcing usually costs more than doing things inhouse (no matter what it is you are outsourcing)

 

[MoD_Callidus]

ok time for a fatality move on this lame thread ( not aimed at those posting but the OP )

Did Sony decide to produce the PS3 to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Did MS decide to produce the 360 to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Did Nintendo decide to produce the Wii to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Same answer to all three questions: No they did not

3 companies set out to produce hardware which would initiate new sales in a stagnant market that they all had a share in. They did this in order to maximise profitiblity for the respecitive companies, out of the three which has acheived this


Nintendo.

 

[james.miller]

fact: the ps3 doesnt have the words "games console" printed anywhere on its box.

 

[Junk]

ok time for a fatality move on this lame thread ( not aimed at those posting but the OP )

Did Sony decide to produce the PS3 to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Did MS decide to produce the 360 to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Did Nintendo decide to produce the Wii to win the hearts of "hardcore" gamers across the globe?

Same answer to all three questions: No they did not

3 companies set out to produce hardware which would initiate new sales in a stagnant market that they all had a share in. They did this in order to maximise profitiblity for the respecitive companies, out of the three which has acheived this


Nintendo.

disagree.

Sony targeted the 'Enthusiast' as first (because they didnt really want to release the ps3 yet) - now moved into mass 'gamer' market (current PS2 owners) now they have the costs down. and have done surprisingly well for something allegedly doomed to fail,

MS targeted the 'Frat boy' / 'casual gamer' market, and have done well

Nintendo created a new market and picked up many from the 'casual' market and have done phenomenally well - but can the momentum keep going.

 

[Junk]

fact: the ps3 doesnt have the words "games console" printed anywhere on its box.

nor did the PS2 or PS1 to be fair

 

[FrankJH]

3 companies set out to produce hardware which would initiate new sales in a stagnant market that they all had a share in. They did this in order to maximise profitiblity for the respecitive companies, out of the three which has acheived this


Nintendo.

To be fair if you think about it Sony would have just kept selling the PS2 (at a unit profit) if thats all they were interested in

While a main factor is gaming, its not the only (or even major) reason Sony wanted a new box in lots of livingrooms/bedrooms

(Im not saying this isnt true of the other two, but neither of the other two were selling the previous generation as much as Sony either

 

[MoD_Callidus]

[snip]

Nintendo created a new market and picked up many from the 'casual' market and have done phenomenally well - but can the momentum keep going.

Have to say 12 months down the line and sold out and uber pricing whoring going on from major retailers, yus momentums done nicely so far. Mario Galaxy should push that even harder this xmas. N/Sony/MS guess who's CEO's will be handing out nice bonus payments this chrimbo lol

To be fair if you think about it Sony would have just kept selling the PS2 (at a unit profit) if thats all they were interested in

While a main factor is gaming, its not the only (or even major) reason Sony wanted a new box in lots of livingrooms/bedrooms

(Im not saying this isnt true of the other two, but neither of the other two were selling the previous generation as much as Sony either

but that's the market, I'm sure any company would be happy to sit back and rake it in, thank god for competition. Sont excelled with the PS2 but the nautre of console markets dictates that if you get sloppy / lazy then you will have your arse royally handed to you, if not by another company then by joe public ( see Atari's slippery death slide from number 1 with no competition to dumping ooodles of unsold software / hardware. Sony had no option other than to launch the PS3