Wikileaks - latest leak

[fez]

Some things should be kept secret but why have we got a website like wikileaks. Im sure its just because this guys wants to cause trouble and cause international problems.

Maybe its because governments hide so much, get away with murder and never have to account for what they have done.

George Bush and Tony Blair have not had so much as a slap on the wrist over iraq and afganistan.The americans knowingly tortured people, whos head rolled for that one.

Until governments are accountable, individuals are accountable and we have more transparency then I say release away. As mentioned above, its its for a very good reason such as troop safety then it should be censored. I suspect that a lot of countries are not happy because regardless of its current relevance, most governments wouldnt be very popular if their actions were completely transparent.

 

[Greenlizard0]

Wouldn't be surprising if that rumour was put out there to discredit him, not wanting this to be a tin foil hat moment but it is 'obvious'.

Where's the bit about what the yanks really think of us?

Edit - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-really-thinks-of-david-cameron-2145790.html

Until governments are accountable, individuals are accountable and we have more transparency then I say release away.

Agree with this, I don't trust government sadly.

 

[Castiel]

Allegedly

So he isn't a rapist then.

That has yet to be ascertained. As he will not surrender to the international warrant we can only surmise that the two women's accusations hold some truth.

He should practice what he preaches, if he has nothing to hide, then he has nothing to fear.

 

[Glaucus]

Who are they going to be accountable to? We dont have a world goverment who can dictate to country goverments. What armed forces are going to back up anyone who trys to make a goverment accountable.

There was nothing wrong with afgahnistan.
Best way for accountability is voting, but blair got ellected again.

 

[mushroomsoup]

wikileaks seems a bit irresponsible to me, also the man himself seems of rather dubious character. either that - or tin foil hat.

 

[rypt]

Who are they going to be accountable to?

Their own people ... but that requires disclosure, which is what Wikileaks is giving.

 

[soultaker]

I would be surprised if he sees Xmas 2011

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[fez]

He should practice what he preaches, if he has nothing to hide, then he has nothing to fear.

Interesting take on that. A lot of governments around the world would love to see him removed from the populace and I would wager that ensuring his demise in court wouldn't be beyond the US.

Maybe a little paranoid but I personally wouldnt take the risk. If he is innocent then why would he bother. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. The verdict won't be any different whether he gives himself up now or they get him in 5 years.

 

[soultaker]

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[Energize]

That has yet to be ascertained. As he will not surrender to the international warrant we can only surmise that the two women's accusations hold some truth.

He should practice what he preaches, if he has nothing to hide, then he has nothing to fear.

That's a false dichotomy if I ever heard one, when you're wanted by the authorities for wikileaks you aren't going to surrender to a warrant for a rape case regardless of guilt.

 

[KNiVES]

He is a rapist (allegedly) who seems to think it's ok to put others lives at risk simply to forward his own infamy.

Nonsense. The allegations were completely unfounded, and were bought forward by American accusations in a Swedish nation where the law states you have to arrest people immediately for rape allegations, how convenient eh?

It's not chasing infamy. It's bringing the barbaric actions of the US and the UK to account, and anyone who tries to prevent the truth from coming out in the pursuit of justice and fairness is a scumbag.

 

[Glaucus]

Their own people ... but that requires disclosure, which is what Wikileaks is giving.

Blair was realected.
Discloser should not be for everything. Do you want armef forces ositions, movments and capabilities posted online?
Do you want indide chatter to be published that would cause international tension.

Even with disclosure of other stuff say full government spending. Do you think anyone could read and make anysense of it. Let alone the general public.

 

[footman]

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Ah, I see.

 

[Tefal]

That's utter BS, all things should be open to the people as the governments are there to represent our views and not to treat us as kids
I think what Wikileaks are doing is great, they are doing what our media fails to do ... hold the governments to account by giving the people unbias information straight from the horses mouth.

So you think the names faces, and addresses of all under cover police officers should be on the fron't page of the sun?

a list of informants in Afghanistan too?

Didn't a few people get rather brutality executed when wikileaks did the later?

 

[rypt]

Blair was realected.
Discloser should not be for everything. Do you want armef forces ositions, movments and capabilities posted online?
Do you want indide chatter to be published that would cause international tension.

Even with disclosure of other stuff say full government spending. Do you think anyone could read and make anysense of it. Let alone the general public.

Why do you keep on talking about Blair? We never had full disclosure of anything under Blair ... we never had full disclosure of the decision to invade Iraq for instance.

As I said, I support secrets when they are needed, such as no details of current army positions, etc. But is there the need to keep secret operations that happened 10? 20? 30? 40? 50? 60 years ago? Plenty of WW2 stuff is still secret and classified, for no reason.

Should we keep secret illegal actions by armed forces or other government agencies?



As for no-one having time to read through it, individually no ... but collectively in the modern day of the internet plenty of it would be read through and potentially analysed.

a list of informants in Afghanistan too?
Didn't a few people get rather brutality executed when wikileaks did the later?

Wikileaks specifically asked US government to work with them to censor names etc, the US government refused to co-operate. Wikileaks ended up trying to do their best on their own, and clearly may have missed some instances.
But being found out as an informant is all part and parcel of being one ....

 

[fez]

Who are they going to be accountable to? We dont have a world goverment who can dictate to country goverments. What armed forces are going to back up anyone who trys to make a goverment accountable.

There was nothing wrong with afgahnistan.
Best way for accountability is voting, but blair got ellected again.

So what you are saying is that within every country there is a single man that controls the country and everyone is subordinate to him.

Or are you saying that our government has been completely honest with us about our motivations and actions in Iraq since day one and we all voted for labour with a full understanding of the situation.

If someone in government was found to be stealing then they would be tried in court. They are not above the law, and there are certain people within a democratic government that must be held accountable for the decisions of their party.

With great power comes great responsibility. The government isnt some massive single entity with an all encompassing leader who controls those under him. There are very few people that make actualy decisions on a national level and they should all be accountable to the general government.

 

[Castiel]

Nonsense. The allegations were completely unfounded, and were bought forward by American accusations in a Swedish nation where the law states you have to arrest people immediately for rape allegations, how convenient eh?

It's not chasing infamy. It's bringing the barbaric actions of the US and the UK to account, and anyone who tries to prevent the truth from coming out in the pursuit of justice and fairness is a scumbag.

You should release the evidence you obviously have as to the veracity of the rape and molestation charges laid against to wiki-links then.

Whats that?, you don't have any?, what a surprise.

I'm all for justice (which so far Assange has avoided) but releasing sensitive documents can and will put peoples lives in danger. Release those that are obviously in the public interest like the allegations at Al Gharib etc, but a blanket release of 3 million documents is foolhardy and dangerous.

 

[Tefal]

Interesting take on that. A lot of governments around the world would love to see him removed from the populace and I would wager that ensuring his demise in court wouldn't be beyond the US.

Maybe a little paranoid but I personally wouldnt take the risk. If he is innocent then why would he bother. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. The verdict won't be any different whether he gives himself up now or they get him in 5 years.

again with the insane "i know lads lets make the disposal of the enemy as complicated and involving as many security leaks as possible"

rather than "T boned by a truck at a junction" ?

Or the old mossad way of about 3 clips of .22 in the back.

 

[Glaucus]

How do you know there is no reason to still be classified?.

As for Blair, everyone knew things weren't on the level and he was still re-elected.

 

[Tefal]

Wikileaks specifically asked US government to work with them to censor names etc, the US government refused to co-operate. Wikileaks ended up trying to do their best on their own, and clearly may have missed some instances.
But being found out as an informant is all part and parcel of being one ....

of course they refused, to say "yep him hi man hi mare informants" would just be confirmation that could be published later. ie "wikileaks confirms the identity of informants".

Also how did they "try their best" then still publish the details of these people.


He's a **** doing exactly what he accuses others of doing an getting famous off other peoples blood.

But being found out as an informant is all part and parcel of being one ....

typically by the enemy not a **** who's supposedly on your side.