Wildstar New MMO (NCSoft and Carbine Studios)
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I've no problems with top tier raiding being 40 man, I wont have time for it and to me thats how raiding should be, its a sink for those that are able to put the hours in. Aslong as there is suffficent content for others, its gravy
I should have made myself a bit clearer, its not the actual raid that's a problem as every-time we have completed a 40 man raid (maybe all of 15/20)we have always enjoyed them! its a getting it set up and starting it, its always problem, I have raided 40 mans in a few other guilds (around 8/10 times) & I have see the same problems every time, just look at any guilds old forums who ran 40 man and you see the same issues.
No its not gravy without a shadow of a doubt the mainstream who cant get into or get 40 man raids sorted will be unhappy, people just gloss over this and say well they can do 5 man dungeons, its stupid a stupid comment, from people who cant think passed their own interests.
if we lose the main body because we have separation in the game it hurts the game, it is stupid stupid stupid not to have smaller raids in the game.
what ever people say, a 10/12/15 man raid will NOT hurt the game, but having only a 40 man top tier raid raid will.
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We'll have to agree to disagree then, more people = epic feeling, thats what they are going for.
If the raid game is new/fresh and they capture all the right elements of the levelling game and cater to the 'casuals' there is no reason why only having 40 man raiding teirs will hurt it.
You'll just see guild alliances spring up to enable smaller guilds to raid if thats what they want, abit like how smaller guilds attempted content back in vanilla WoW. No reason this cant be made smoother with UI tools either.
because most will never raid, and because like most people you don't explain how 10/12/15 man raids will hurt and not greatly help the game.
Just like everyone you go along with the 40 man epic raids please 40 man pain in the .... more like
I have seen the guild alliance comment so many times now they hardly also ever work.
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I'd like to see 10, 25 and 40 raids, I don't mean different difficulties of the same raid.
I never got to raid back in Vanilla WoW, and there was something almost mythical about places like Nax and AQ. Only the best and most organised players ever got to experience those raids, and I think that's how it should be. With a variety of content each with it's own level of dedication and organisation needed, you progress to the level that suits the time and effort you're willing to put in.
I never got to raid back in Vanilla WoW, and there was something almost mythical about places like Nax and AQ. Only the best and most organised players ever got to experience those raids, and I think that's how it should be. With a variety of content each with it's own level of dedication and organisation needed, you progress to the level that suits the time and effort you're willing to put in.
I've never said smaller raids would hurt the game? I've said I can understand why they dont want them, as they are going for is a different feel. I dont envy them trying to balance 40 man raiding, but if they think they can handle it, more power to them. If you want smaller, raiding content go have a look at WoW, its got it that element cornered..
Question for you, if you dont like 40 man raiding why are you intending to play Wildstar?
I know of plenty of alliances that worked and in many different MMO's, from EQ all the way to Vanilla WoW and up to Lich King, my experience in them is the polar opposite of yours.
Because I like the game ... there is lots of good, it does not mean I have to like everything, another typical masses answer ..if you don't like 40 man raids why play the game ..and that's something else that will kill the game off quick, instead of trying to get rid of players you should be looking at ways to get more in.
And this is not about tying to please everyone as that would also be a disaster, pretty much on par with only 40 man top tier.
So you agree that smaller raids will not hurt the game but I see you avoiding saying that they will actually help the game or even more so that 40 man only will hurt the game.
Its funny I have being around and run/or being in guilds/clans for over 20 years and rarely have I seen guild alliance working (unless its pvp) and while they not bad at running alliance when the raids are 10/15 man at 40 man they just don't.
Agree with this fully, no one is saying not to have 40 man raids in, add more loot to 40 man raids as a bonus, but don't take away smaller raids, or lessen the quality of the loot, by all means lessen the quantity just not the quality!
Last I read they did talk about smaller raids, they've mentioned 20 man raids here: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/what_is_wildstar_raids.php
It's best to cater for all, lately I've found MMOs are easier with more people, with healers especially there's more room for mistakes and if people die you're still semi-capable than say a small 8-10 man raid where each healer or tank is absolutely neccesary with little to fall back on. Though it isn't always so black and white. So hopefully they just make it drop more loot and/or tokens (whatever they do) instead of better gear.
I'll be aiming for 40mans of course.
It's best to cater for all, lately I've found MMOs are easier with more people, with healers especially there's more room for mistakes and if people die you're still semi-capable than say a small 8-10 man raid where each healer or tank is absolutely neccesary with little to fall back on. Though it isn't always so black and white. So hopefully they just make it drop more loot and/or tokens (whatever they do) instead of better gear.
I'll be aiming for 40mans of course.
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Really? read what we talking about!
I saw this:
Didn't see anyone reply that there was indeed more sized raids, so said that.
No so you understand, we talking about top tier raids, yes there will be 20 man raids in the game as a step up to 40 man raids, with lower tier loot, so only 40 man raids will give top tier loot, hence why we saying there should be smaller raids with the same loot! sigh
Exactly, the only thing you said was top-tier raids and afaik the top-tier raids are 10-20-40 optional same loot , nowhere have I seen them say 40 drops better loot, can you link any that says it does?
Not surprising go look again, as I'm not gonna lead you to it. Only 40 man raids drop top tier. O and there are no 10 man raids, in fact there is no 10 man content.
Added you get 5 man dungeons
20 man lower tier raids, which you need to do to get the gear required to do 40 man raids.
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http://www.twitch.tv/towelliee livestream leveling at the moment, guy is a moron but its nice to see gameplay.
Source? Or is this a speculation?
Really? Of course it's speculation, boy at times I have to step back and wonder.
Sounds like a number of people have been given permission to Stream. There are about 6 guys streaming at the min.