Will the horns ruin the World Cup?

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semi-pro waster said:
A 1000% increase might sound highly impressive but if up to this point they sold 1 a year then while it's still an impressive increase it's not a large number overall. The actual figures I don't know and you may not either but just to point out that statistics can be presented in a better light than they perhaps merit.

However I'm beginning to think that I'm either watching different games to most or I'm almost completely insensitive to the noise as they really don't bother me. The commentators on the other hand are almost invariably irritating to a degree.
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I agree. I have to tolerate a lot worse during an average Scottish league game!

In fact, the dire football and constant droning being offered in this tournament is a veritable feast for my senses!
 
No they won't. It's the poor matches combined with bored neutral spectators which will. Call me a traditionalist or whatever but I kind of like hearing a crowd cheering and applauding when a goal is scored rather than the white noise of thousands of plastic pipes.

White noise doesn't equal atmosphere. Despite what pundits are saying about amazing atmospheres. That would mean that a locality with roadworks has an electrifying atmosphere....

They should keep the plastic pipes, until the commentary improves. Hearing plastic pipes droning is better than the dire commentary we've been offered thus far.
 
I've actually changed my mind and decided after yet another truly shocking Mick McCarthy 90 mins of utter ridiculously bad commentary that the horns should be turned up, a LOT.

How on earth do they not just get a "normal" commentary team in. I'm not really a fan of Andy Gray but come on, for the world cup could Sky not make a deal for the sake of the fans, to get some decent guys commentating the games?

We started off with him complaining, I forget which game, that a team dared to use 4-4-2, because according to him "you can't press with a 4-4-2" and he didn't shut up about them not pressing the whole game. I think it was when Italy played, he loved 4-4-2 again and despite previously saying 4-4-2 was obsolete and impossible to use these days, was begging the Italians to go more 4-4-2 and constantly went on about how whoever it was that went to 4-4-2 improved dramatically.

He comes up with some ridiculous notion, like no pressing if in a 4-4-2(about a million teams managed it over 100 years for one thing), then changes his mind for the next game.

I really wish Sky got the contract for world cup coverage, or at least, they should be allowed to show it. HD coverage that DOESN'T cut to adverts every time an important goal is scored, decent pic quality, better commentary, better in studio teams.

OK adebayor is African, but he can barely speak English, in the studio it was hilarious trying to work out what he was saying. Dozens of african ex players who can speak great english and they choose a guy who just can't?


Seriously though, if there was a proper commentary team I don't see why they can't base them off site, in a studio, with ZERO horn noise, and if they have to , play some sounds from another game for all I care.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I really wish Sky got the contract for world cup coverage, or at least, they should be allowed to show it. HD coverage that DOESN'T cut to adverts every time an important goal is scored, decent pic quality, better commentary, better in studio teams.
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I 100% completely agree with you on this. I really do wish that Sky were covering the world cup too and frankly see no reason why they cant.
 
FoxEye said:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/news/a227390/bbc-considers-vuvuzela-free-wc-coverage.html

Clearly it's not impossible. If it's considered a big enough problem to warrant a real effort to find a solution, they will do so.
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No, not impossible. It just seems misdirected, to me, to be nagging the BBC about it. Anyhoo, I'd like to see the back of them too, so let's leave it at that.

And here is the quote from the engineer:

BBC Bloke said:
"Your typical vuvuzela is pitched at Bb3 (B flat below middle C) - with a fundamental at 233 Hz. Looking at the waveform, there seem to be a lot of second harmonic and it's a triangular wave, so mainly odd-order harmonics, and quite a dull sound, not too many higher harmonics. Which, given how loud it is, is a small bonus.

"Of course, it's not going to be possible to notch it out, or anywhere near - and 233 Hz is not far above the fundamental speech tones, whose harmonics are of course important."
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All Greek to me, but you get the idea ...
 
drunkenmaster said:
I've actually changed my mind and decided after yet another truly shocking Mick McCarthy 90 mins of utter ridiculously bad commentary that the horns should be turned up, a LOT.

How on earth do they not just get a "normal" commentary team in. I'm not really a fan of Andy Gray but come on, for the world cup could Sky not make a deal for the sake of the fans, to get some decent guys commentating the games?

We started off with him complaining, I forget which game, that a team dared to use 4-4-2, because according to him "you can't press with a 4-4-2" and he didn't shut up about them not pressing the whole game. I think it was when Italy played, he loved 4-4-2 again and despite previously saying 4-4-2 was obsolete and impossible to use these days, was begging the Italians to go more 4-4-2 and constantly went on about how whoever it was that went to 4-4-2 improved dramatically.

He comes up with some ridiculous notion, like no pressing if in a 4-4-2(about a million teams managed it over 100 years for one thing), then changes his mind for the next game.
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Plus he's got one of the most boring voices known to man.
 
semi-pro waster said:
However I'm beginning to think that I'm either watching different games to most or I'm almost completely insensitive to the noise as they really don't bother me. The commentators on the other hand are almost invariably irritating to a degree.
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This, this and this again. If I have to listen to Mick McCarthy or Chris Coleman and First line commentators on both channels who blatantly are not watching the same game we all are, anymore, I'm going to vuvuzela my brains out.

Also I am fed up with the ignorant arogance that that prat Chiles seems to be consistently showing everytime he opens his mouth, Can't we just play vuvuzelas everytime he's on screen?
 
They seem to really kill the mood of the crowd. I remember from last year's confed cup that you just don't feel the ebb and flow of crowd cheer at all with that monotone droning blocking everything out. On TV that's largely ignorable, but I dread to think what all these sales will do for any real league games I might try to go to next year. Hopefully most of them are just parents buying them as novelty toys for the kids.
 
Haha yeah I had meant to post that. All this hot air about them being culturally significant is complete balls. They're about as much a part of cultural heritage as playing music after goals, and just like the latter, usage should be punishable by death.
 
What I honestly can't understand is, its a single monotonous noise, that isn't done to a rythm or in any musical sense so as to make it interesting, its a single sound, all game long. Can you imagine going to a club and having a song come on thats a single sound that doesn't stop or change?

I just don't get it, drums and trumpets and the like are irritating but are played to a beat/music and have a purpose and aren't absolutely continuous and deafening.

Basically I don't get why a single person at these stadiums enjoys blowing on a single tone trumpet all game long, theres nothing about the sound thats enjoyable or anything about it at all. Why did it get so popular?
 
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