Will the rog swift get a free sync update?

andybird123 said:
The gsync module totally replaces the monitors controller board, the gsync module supports nongsync, ulmb, 3d as well as gsync, it does not support freesync, it probably could as it is an FPGA, but nvidia would be suicidal to do it

The "bug" is because you are at the limit of what the monitor panel can support, the image is starting bleed to white because it is being held for too long, the only way to "fix" it is to reduce the range that gsync/freesync works at, but if anything AMD have been pushing the idea that freesync will support a wider range of refreshes
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Wasn't sure it totally replaced it or not but stand corrected.

I still think it's a crazy market to be in where you are tied to one gpu manufacturer or another based on your monitor choice should you want to use this tech and most will.

Pretty sure it wouldn't take much of an update for the gsync module to be bios flashed.

Someone might be able to hack it if NVidia decide not to support adaptive display refresh.

If nothing else it'll drop the mark up price to £30 or so as you suggested and that's not a bad thing.
 
andybird123 said:
The gsync module is an altera FPGA with 768mb of Ram, cost in bulk is about $25
If nvidia/manufacturer reduced the price difference to say $50 (£30), would that sway you?
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Irrelevant because the "if" in your hypothetical scenario was something many Nvidia enthusiasts were saying would happen ages ago. It hasn't in the year since gsync monitors became available as an option. The actual cost to the consumer for a gsync monitor is well over £100 compared to a similar spec non-gsync version. The fact prices have not dropped shows gsync is niche and until that changes the premium will remain. The current iteration of gsync is not a success considering the current number of gysnc capable monitors for sale and the premium prices.

People do not want to pay well over £100 for a niche feature that ties them to a particular GPU manufacturer. I have considered a gysnc 4K monitor to go with my GTX980 but keep stepping away because like most GPU enthusiasts, I am happy to go red or green depending on what is the best for me. I await to see what the new DP 1.3 adaptive sync monitors will bring.

AOC standard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-007-AO&groupid=17&catid=510

AOC Gsync
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-022-AO&groupid=17&catid=948

Acer 4K 28" standard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-072-AC&groupid=17&catid=1895

Acer predator gsync 4K 28"
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-065-AC&groupid=17&catid=948
 
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You could have bought a 970 instead of a 980 and used the saving towards a gsync monitor and had a better overall experience for the same cost.
Competiton drives price drops, there is no competition for Gsync, hence the price, if gsync was not a success, if it was not selling, prices would drop, the fact that prices remain high actually proves that it is selling well enough.

The rog swift is not only the only 1440 gsync monitor, it is the only reliable 1440/120+hz monitor, the Acer 4k gsync is the only 4k gsync.
Everything you say is an indicator that gsync is a failure is actually an indicator that it is being successful. :D
And that makes freesync's job all the more difficult.
 
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I did go for a gsync monitor and to be honest the one thing I didn't like about it was the fact that I am tied in to the green team.

I've had green team cards for the last two cards but I don't like not having the option to switch to the red team if I want to.

Of course I can switch and the monitor will still work but with functions disabled and I don't like that idea either!

See what the future brings I think if freesync is a success then we might see NVidia move a bit on that front though they have done daft things in the past with PhysX and disabling cards so who knows!

Mantle made them sit up and take notice.
 
Aurhinius said:
I did go for a gsync monitor and to be honest the one thing I didn't like about it was the fact that I am tied in to the green team.

I've had green team cards for the last two cards but I don't like not having the option to switch to the red team if I want to.

Of course I can switch and the monitor will still work but with functions disabled and I don't like that idea either!

See what the future brings I think if freesync is a success then we might see NVidia move a bit on that front though they have done daft things in the past with PhysX and disabling cards so who knows!

Mantle made them sit up and take notice.
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If (when) DP 1.3 and adaptive sync become mainstream then Nvidia may simply adopt gsync to work with those monitors. That way we the consumer will benefit so our new adaptive sync monitor will work with green or red.
 
andybird123 said:
You could have bought a 970 instead of a 980 and used the saving towards a gsync monitor and had a better overall experience for the same cost.
Competiton drives price drops, there is no competition for Gsync, hence the price, if gsync was not a success, if it was not selling, prices would drop, the fact that prices remain high actually proves that it is selling well enough.

The rog swift is not only the only 1440 gsync monitor, it is the only reliable 1440/120+hz monitor, the Acer 4k gsync is the only 4k gsync.
Everything you say is an indicator that gsync is a failure is actually an indicator that it is being successful. :D
And that makes freesync's job all the more difficult.
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Or I could have not bought a gpu at all and had a nice holiday? Your point is irrelevant and does not make the prices of gsync capable monitors any more palatable for the majority. Most people have a monitor life cycle lasting 4-5 years. They will be very unlikely to upgrade their existing monitor for a feature that is "nice" rather than must have. Add to that the fact they must pay well over £100 for the privilege of that "nice" feature, then hey are locked to Nvidia GPUs or their extra "nice" is expensive and pointless. You start to see why gsync is nowhere near the success you think it is.
 
Sorry for going off topic OP. To answer your question, no. :)

I would anticipate Asus would be more likely to release a free sync equivalent to the RoG swift under another name.
 
ICDP said:
Or I could have not bought a gpu at all and had a nice holiday? Your point is irrelevant and does not make the prices of gsync capable monitors any more palatable for the majority. Most people have a monitor life cycle lasting 4-5 years. They will be very unlikely to upgrade their existing monitor for a feature that is "nice" rather than must have. Add to that the fact they must pay well over £100 for the privilege of that "nice" feature, then hey are locked to Nvidia GPUs or their extra "nice" is expensive and pointless. You start to see why gsync is nowhere near the success you think it is.
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:D nice strawman, you cant use a holiday for pc gaming, a 970+gsync vs a 980 without gsync is a perfectly valid comparison in terms of cost and user experience, it sounds like post rationalisation that you paid £200 extra for single digit fps, but wont pay £100 extra for somethng that makes that single digit fps increase meaningless

Most people wont buy a gsync or freesync monitor at all as they dont use their monitor for gaming, I'm going off what scant few sales figures we've been given and the fact that we know that items that dont sell well get discontinued and/or big price drops, neither of which has happened with gsync

I dont think or assume that gsync has sold anywhere near as much as a "normal" monitor, i think it is successfull in terms of a niche product, but I also think freesync faces the same challenges, so i'm erring on the side of caution where as some seem to be assuming that freesync will become widespread just on the basis that it is "free" and "Open", even where history shows us that isnt neccessarily the case.

I wouldnt even say it was off topic, we're discussing potential uptake of freesync and the chances of seeing monitors with both, i find it interesting. :)

You also seem to be assuming that your 980 even CAN support freesync, you might need a new GPU too.
 
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In my opinion the best thing Nvidia could do is make the GSync scalar module Adaptive Sync compatible. That way any GSync monitor sold would be able to be advertised as GSync and Freesync compatible, something that FreeSync only monitors would not be able to do. Nvidia would still sell GSync modules, probably more than if they were to keep them Gsync only.
 
If Gsync genuinely is the game changer people say, and without seeing it myself I wouldn't like to comment, then sooner or later Nvidia will be forced to support Freesync IMO.

At the end of the day if monitor manufacturers have the option to support Freesync (which costs less for them to include and works with potentially every video card other than Nividia) something's got to give. They'll go for the whichever tech gives them the largest potential market for customers.

I'd expect ultimately Nvidia will have to support Freesync or find themselves increasingly pushed out of the market. It's either that or they try and licence G-sync to all their competitors but unless it's massively better than Freesync I can't see how they're going to get anyone else to agree to that plan!
 
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Lets just say there going be some interesting times ahead...
And most likely some stressful times for us buyers who going to have to choose for a while at lest..

I would love to have a crystal ball to see what monitors & GPU's were available on 31/12/2015..:D
 
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Yeah, if you've bought a Gync monitor and Nvidia vid card then I would say enjoy if for now and be happy you're getting to experience what most of us won't get to see for another year or so.

If you want Freesync then I'd say be VERY wary of any manufacturer selling monitors advertised as 'Freesync Ready' until the cards and monitors are actually ready to test their claims :)
 
Freesync is AMDs proprietary method of using Adapative Sync.

Nvidia wouldn't be supporting Freesync.

The monitor would be getting an adaptive sync update, rather than a freesync update.

And it's unlikely that'll happen.
 
silvagti said:
If Gsync genuinely is the game changer people say, and without seeing it myself I wouldn't like to comment, then sooner or later Nvidia will be forced to support Freesync IMO.

At the end of the day if monitor manufacturers have the option to support Freesync (which costs less for them to include and works with potentially every video card other than Nividia) something's got to give. They'll go for the whichever tech gives them the largest potential market for customers.

I'd expect ultimately Nvidia will have to support Freesync or find themselves increasingly pushed out of the market. It's either that or they try and licence G-sync to all their competitors but unless it's massively better than Freesync I can't see how they're going to get anyone else to agree to that plan!
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Every video card other than nvidia?
Like what?

Nvidia have the dominant market share in video cards, so supporting gsync IS the largest potential market

Samsung and LG both released 3D monitors that "worked with any video card"... they are all discontinued and the only 3D monitors for sale now are nvidia 3D vision ones
 
I thought Freesync was the open standard and didn't realise it was basically AMD's version of Gync. Must have been mixing it up with Adaptivesyc and assumed the 'free' part of freesync referred to it being an open standard.

Ah well. Guess it's going to be a case of being careful to picking your monitor according to your GPU for a while. It's going to be a crazy situation if manufacturers have to start releasing separate Gysnc and Freesync versions of the same monitor!

Hopefully both technologies will ultimately support adaptivesync (and potentially each other) to prevent yet another format war! Is there a specific feature that makes freesync/gsnync superior to adaptivesync if that's going to be the default open standard for preventing tearing over displayport?
 
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Martini1991 said:
Adapative sync is the open standard. Freesync is AMD's software to use it. Which is ultimately proprietary.
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Gotcha now. I guess back on topic the there may not be an update to the Gsync monitors to support Freesync then and Nvidia has said as much. Surely ultimately Nvidia is going to have a pretty hard time selling a proprietary technology built into monitors like Gsync when adaptive sync is released as an open standard?

Is there any distinct technical advantage Gycnc has over adaptive sync ?
 
silvagti said:
Gotcha now. I guess back on topic the there may not be an update to the Gsync monitors to support Freesync then and Nvidia has said as much. Surely ultimately Nvidia is going to have a pretty hard time selling a proprietary technology built into monitors like Gsync when adaptive sync is released as an open standard?

Is there any distinct technical advantage Gycnc has over adaptive sync ?
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AMD say freesync uses "secret sauce" built in to their gpu's, not only that but only the 290/x and their latest APU's, not the 7xxx series and not the 280's, so there is nothing to say nvidia even can support adaptive sync at this point, and why would they add hardware to their gpu's when they already have gsync

Only if freesync really takes off will they bother

Adaptive sync being an open standard only works if more than one vendor supports it, otherwise the two are basically proprietary in all but name
 
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