Will the rog swift get a free sync update?

andybird123 said:
Adaptive sync being an open standard only works if more than one vendor supports it, otherwise the two are basically proprietary in all but name
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That all sounds very depressing to see what's basically turning into a format war over something that should have been a simple standard to agree on :(

Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Maybe Intel will adopt one or the other and force Nvidia/AMD to agree on some kind of standard!
 
If it cost nothing to add FreeSync to a monitor and all the big scaler manufactures are getting behind the tech then it's going to be included with every monitor over time.

Any manufacture can make a FreeSync monitor but Gsync will always be a small market with limited options for manufactures. This plus the extra cost and limited range of GPU's makes Gsync total dead end. The only way I could have seen a future for Gsync is if it had become an open standard and AMD got on board before they give FreeSync to VESA.

Simply put, the Sync's have to be free or GTFO.
 
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jigger said:
This plus the extra cost and limited range of GPU's makes Gsync total dead end..
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It not that easy as about 50% of gamers use/own a NVidia GPU....
And these monitors are more aimed at highend PC gamers where more then 50% of them use NVidia GPU's

And I don't think the higher cost will stop buyers ,Just look how many £400 to £500 GPU's fly off the shelf ;)
 
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jigger said:
If it cost nothing to add FreeSync to a monitor and all the big scaler manufactures are getting behind the tech then it's going to be included with every monitor over time.

Any manufacture can make a FreeSync monitor but Gsync will always be a small market with limited options for manufactures. This plus the extra cost and limited range of GPU's makes Gsync total dead end. The only way I could have seen a future for Gsync is if it had become an open standard and AMD got on board before they give FreeSync to VESA.

Simply put, the Sync's have to be free or GTFO.
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Limited range of gpus for gsync?
The entire 6/7/9 ranges

Freesync is supported by... the 290/x 285 and 260/x but not the 280s or 270s, so half a single generation vs 3 full gens

Yeah, much wider range that is :D
 
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I don't want this to turn into an Nvidia vs AMD thread! At the end of the day I, and I'm sure everyone else here, would be best served if Nvidia and AMD both agreed to implement and support the same standard!

As far as I'm concerned both Freesync and GSync can FOAD if the VESA standard adaptive sync is just as good :)
 
Erm, freesync IS Vesa adaptive sync
Adaptive sync needs support from both the monitor and the gpu, the monitor side support is specced by vesa and the gpu side (currently only going to be supported by AMD) is freesync

If freesync goes then theres nothing to use with adaptive sync


In other news, here is what AMD say about "every monitor will have freesync";

Additionally, it must be established*that all dynamic refresh rate technologies require robust, high-performance LCD panels capable of utilizing a wide range of refresh rates without demonstrating visual artifacts. Such LCD panels naturally cost more to manufacture and validate than less capable panels, which may render dynamic refresh rate*technologies*economically unviable for especially cost-conscious monitors.*
 
But that's the thing. If VESA spec the monitor adaptive sync support as part of the displayport standards then surely AMD (or anyone else adopting the technology) are simply following the guidelines to implement the standard in their video card hardware/software regardless of whatever brandname their marketing division call it?

What exactly is this 'special sauce' which AMD allegedly have :) Aren't they just following the guidelines of the standard and coding this into their software drivers and adding into their GPU's whichever hardware is required to meet the connectivity standard (displayport 1.2a/1.3/etc).

Or am I misunderstanding how this works :confused:
 
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andybird123 said:
Limited range of gpus for gsync?
The entire 6/7/9 ranges

Freesync is supported by... the 290/x 285 and 260/x but not the 280s or 270s, so half a single generation vs 3 full gens

Yeah, much wider range that is :D
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Try to think of this from the point of view of a monitor manufacture and not a VN v AMD. You have a free open standard with industry backing and a proprietary with licencing fee's.
 
never say never though its not likely current gsync modules will get adaptive sync support even though they are reprogrammable.
 
jigger said:
Try to think of this from the point of view of a monitor manufacture and not a VN v AMD. You have a free open standard with industry backing and a proprietary with licencing fee's.
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Or maybe this point of view.
Gaming monitor manufacturers have the choice pay £20 for a Adaptive Sync Scalar that is compatible for gaming with 6 GPU's (R9 295X2, 290X, R9 290, R9 285, R7 260X and R7 260) or £25 (these amounts are what has been suggested that it actually costs the Manufacturer to purchase the scalar) for the Gsync scalar that is compatible for gaming with 16 GPU's (list is here, i've not counted the OEM or mobile ones)


Which ever way you look at it, neither technology will find its way into every monitor, or even most of them for that matter (remember that Adaptive Sync is only optional in 1.2a). These things are for gamers, highend gamers at that which a very niche end of the niche market that is pc gaming.
 
jigger said:
Try to think of this from the point of view of a monitor manufacture and not a VN v AMD. You have a free open standard with industry backing and a proprietary with licencing fee's.
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I am thinking from the view of a monitor manufacturer, i want to sell product so i need to know what my potential customer base is - these are premium gamer monitors anyway so my market is niche, adaptive sync is supported by a handful of cards that have had a small market share for 1 year, gsync is supported by a full range of cards spanning the last 3 years and had leading market share

My potential customer base for gsync is approx. 6 times larger, before you start drilling down in to prices people will pay, the type of monitor gamers want to use etc. Of course the smart money would be to back both, but i'm probably going to err on the side of the tech with the biggest market potential.

Now, LG and Samsung are being sensible in that they are adding it to already premium monitors that are a newer type, no bog standard 1080p 60hz, so they can absorb the cost.

It will be interesting to see how things develop, but when people say things like gsync is automatically dead, nvidia will have to support adaptive sync, freesync will be in every monitor - it isnt that simple. It could happen if Intel support it because suddenly your potential market is ten times larger, but even then i'm not sure non-gamers will have any interest and i dont think AMD have the clout to make it stick on their own.

Thing is, nvidia did even support generic 3d screens via 3dtvplay as well as having their own 3dvision... yet there are no generic 3d monitors still on sale, only 3dvision.
This also doesnt automatically mean freesync is doomed, but it does highlight the challenges.
 
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But we now know for sure that monitors have been shipping for the past 6~ months that are already able to use FreeSync. The big scalers makers are all adding the tech by default and all AMD cards from now on will make use of the scalers. FreeSync is getting supported by everyone expect NV :)
 
Links to back any of that up?
AMD themselves say that isn't the case on their own Faq, which i've posted above. Yes scaler makers are releasing scalers but not "by default", they are seperate products that require the panels to be specially qualified to work with adaptive sync, which all costs extra to implement, it simply isnt going to be included in every monitor and AMD themselves highlight this on their own website.

The only monitor that had been listed up as being backwards compatible was the iiyama 4k and that claim has now been rescinded, it might get reinstated, but again erring on the side of caution I would not automatically assume that.

You are working from a set of false assumptions.

Where is the announcement that intel are supporting adaptive sync?

AMDs future GPU's supporting it is irrelevant until and unless they outsell nvidia, which also doesnt seem likely based on past results.
 
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Confirmed monitors that support FreeSync I have found so far.

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Iiyama ProLite B2888UHSU-B1


Samsung UE580 24"
Samsung UE580 28"
Samsung UE580 32"
Samsung UE590 24"
Samsung UE590 28"

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Nixeus Vue 27D" (Firmware update required)

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*LG UM97*

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LG UM67


Scaler manufactures confirmed to support FreeSync.
MStar
Novatek
Realtek

Monitors manufactures confirmed to support FreeSync.

LG
Samsung
Iiyama
Nixeus
BenQ
Viewsonic

Graphics that support FreeSync

R7 260
R7 260X
R9 285
R9 290
R9 290X
R9 295X

Plus all future AMD cards.
 
I like your optimism - by the time freesync sees the light of day no doubt nVidia will have dreamed up GSYNC 2.0 with some new killer feature.
 
Iiyama pulled the info that they will be supporting freesync
The UC97 (there is no UM97) has not had freesync announced (only the UM67)

Yes, 6 models of AMD card, representing at most a third of market share in the last 12 months, vs 16 models representing more than two thirds of market share for 3 YEARS

Yes, scaler makers have announced support but NOT "by default". It will be a specialist scaler used in specific freesync, monitors.

You said "everyone except nvidia"... Where is intel in this?
 
andybird123 said:
Iiyama pulled the info that they will be supporting freesync
The UC97 (there is no UM97) has not had freesync announced (only the UM67)

Yes, 6 models of AMD card, representing at most a third of market share in the last 12 months, vs 16 models representing more than two thirds of market share for 3 YEARS

Yes, scaler makers have announced support but NOT "by default". It will be a specialist scaler used in specific freesync, monitors.

You said "everyone except nvidia"... Where is intel in this?
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Where is Intel in Gsync?

You are just getting silly now sunshine;)
 
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