Will the rog swift get a free sync update?
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I didnt say ISP as that doesnt exist as a panel type.
AHVA is characteristically identical to IPS so most people refer to them by that name, Samsung make PLS screens, but again they are so similar that most normal people use IPS as a catchall term for monitors that have the same characteristics
If you wanted to get really pedantic then there arent any IPS screens anymore because they are all; s-ips, as-ips, a-ips, ah-ips etc. Etc.
You said that this monitor is VA, which it isn't, if you want to have a go at Acer for calling it IPS then feel free. Or tftcentral for listing under IPS types.
I don't care what it is TBH. You quoted me out of context and started this magical mystery tour.
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How is that out of context, you said
AU Optronics have 2560x1440 144Hz VA panels
They dont.
I tried to tell him so many times, I just got fed up. 3D is available on other monitors, not just Gsync monitors, but he still doesn't get the point and goes off on an irrelevant tangent about AMD having no 3D monitors. Missing the whole point.
Take this monitor
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-098-BQ&groupid=17&catid=1851
It does 3D. Wait a minute, it doesn't have Gsync. Hold on, what's going on? Andybird just argued with me for the last 3 pages that 3D was a feature of Gsync.
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Do some gsync monitors have 3d? Yes
Do all monitors have 3D? No
Is 3D therefore a feature that can be supported by the gsync module? Yes
Could, in theory, the gsync module support other features as well as 3d, ulmb, gsync and 1440@144hz that would then be available on gsync monitor that would be missing on some other monitors? Yes
is melmac therefore wrong in suggesting that they couldnt add any new features to the gsync module? Of course, how stupid do you think i am.
I also pointed out that the only "3D Ready" monitors on sale are 3DVision... youve linked to a 3DVision monitor, so all youve done is agree with me.
Threepwood pointed out that you can cobble together a 3D solution using products from 5 seperate vendors that are not on each others supported list, but that is tangential to my actual point.
People are saying that freesync will kill off gsync because it is cheaper. AMD did a similar campaign with 3D with Samsung and LG... yeah that totally killed off 3DVision
You keep building that strawman and i'll keep knocking him back down.
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Wow, How stupid do I think you are? Too stupid for words. Really. You are still going about 3d and ULMB saying they are features of Gsync, they aren't. And if you can't get that, then yes, you are stupid.
But, here, since you have trouble understanding, I will layout this conversation for you. I won't quote the whole thing, just a brief layout.
Bru: Suggested things that could be in the next version of Gsync.
Me: (my first post) Told him why his ideas might not work.
You: Come in and state that 3D and ULMB were features of Gsync.
Me: Nope, 3D and ULMB are already out there in other monitors. They aren't a feature of Gsync.
The conversation started by discussing things that might be in Gsync 2.0. There is no mention of AMD 3D or Freesync so far. It's not a conversation about that. It's purely talking about Gsync.
You next post is when you go off on your tangent about AMD and Freesync, saying that until Freesync monitors are released with 3D and ULMB then they are features of Gsync and not freesync.Hold on? What? Why are you bringing AMD or Freesync into this conversation? What has either of things got to do with Features that are in Gsync or might be in Gsync 2?
Of course I linked to 3D monitor, to show you that there are monitors out there with 3D don't have Gsync. I mentioned a Ben Q monitor as well, as one that has ULMB that hasn't Gsync. Why do you keep bringing up AMD 3D? I mentioned the SA700D to show you that even non Nvidia monitors could do 3D Vision, so they definitely wouldn't have Gsync. But you think I brought up as an argument against Gsync for Freesync. LOL.
Here is a few questions
Are there monitors out there with 3D that don't have Gsync? Yes, you keep waffling on about them. All those 3D vision ones.
Are there monitors out there with ULMB? Yes,
Do you need Gsync for either of these? Nope, you don't. In fact you have to turn off Gsync for them to work.
So can either of these be called a feature of Gsync? No.
They are features of the Rog Swift, and the BenQ and other monitors. Just like Gsync is a feature of Rog Swift. But no way in hell could you call 3D and ULMB features of Gsync.
So you keep knocking my Strawman arguments out of the park? Andy you aren't even in the right playing field.
Oh, the cost and sales chances of Freesync was another discussion we were having. Which I still think you are been too negative about Freesync chances. This other discussion had nothing to do with Features Gsync might have in the future.
You also seem to have some misguided idea that I am against Gsync, I am not against it in anyway and I have never said a bad word about it. In fact if I had a Nvidia card I would have already purchased a Gsync monitor. But I sold my 680 in the middle of summer to help pay for an Xbox one.
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These monitors use a gsync scaler, these features are built in to the gsync scaler, without the gsync scaler these monitors would not have these features.
I never said that 3D was a feature of gsync I said they were a feature of the module it uses.
The module is the very heart of the monitor.
If I buy a car that has a V8 engine, that is a feature of that car, does that mean that no other car has a V8? No of course not, other cars can have the same feature but it doesnt stop that from being a feature. If Audi sell V8's and Mitsubishi dont then I might buy an Audi instead. Both cars might do 0-60 in 4 seconds and the Mitsubishi might be cheaper, but if I want a V8 I don't buy the mitsubishi because it doesn't have that feature.
A feature doesn't have to be unique for it to be called a feature. With gsync monitors the features are embedded in the Gsync module. Remove the module and the monitor ceases to function.
Resolution and refresh rate are also features that monitors have. Currently the only monitor that supports 2560x1440@144hz is a gsync one, so that actually IS a unique feature. Is it a feature of gsync itself? No, other monitors COULD support it, but currently they don't, not until the Acer one comes out in March - and is that going to have freesync? No, so if you want 2560x1440@144hz and "something-sync" then you still have to buy gsync to get both of those features.
If they produce a v2.0 module then that module could have other features as well as gsync itself, just like the module has more features than just gsync now.
It is quite clear to me that that is what bru meant by "extra features they could add to gsync", he was referring to the gsync module, not to gsync the sync technology in isolation.
I'm not going off on a tangent, i'm responding to the conversations going on in the thread, do try to keep up.
I didnt say you were being negative on gsync I said "some people". The reason I introduced 3D to this thread in the first place is as an example of another monitor tech that some people said a "free" version would kill off 3Dvision.
You keep trying to tell me I said things that I never did just so that you can argue against the fabricated version.
I never said that 3D was a feature of gsync I said they were a feature of the module it uses.
The module is the very heart of the monitor.
If I buy a car that has a V8 engine, that is a feature of that car, does that mean that no other car has a V8? No of course not, other cars can have the same feature but it doesnt stop that from being a feature. If Audi sell V8's and Mitsubishi dont then I might buy an Audi instead. Both cars might do 0-60 in 4 seconds and the Mitsubishi might be cheaper, but if I want a V8 I don't buy the mitsubishi because it doesn't have that feature.
A feature doesn't have to be unique for it to be called a feature. With gsync monitors the features are embedded in the Gsync module. Remove the module and the monitor ceases to function.
Resolution and refresh rate are also features that monitors have. Currently the only monitor that supports 2560x1440@144hz is a gsync one, so that actually IS a unique feature. Is it a feature of gsync itself? No, other monitors COULD support it, but currently they don't, not until the Acer one comes out in March - and is that going to have freesync? No, so if you want 2560x1440@144hz and "something-sync" then you still have to buy gsync to get both of those features.
If they produce a v2.0 module then that module could have other features as well as gsync itself, just like the module has more features than just gsync now.
It is quite clear to me that that is what bru meant by "extra features they could add to gsync", he was referring to the gsync module, not to gsync the sync technology in isolation.
I'm not going off on a tangent, i'm responding to the conversations going on in the thread, do try to keep up.
I didnt say you were being negative on gsync I said "some people". The reason I introduced 3D to this thread in the first place is as an example of another monitor tech that some people said a "free" version would kill off 3Dvision.
You keep trying to tell me I said things that I never did just so that you can argue against the fabricated version.
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See, I said MODULE, not just gsync.
So this entire argument is based on you misreading what I wrote.
You then went on to claim that gsync monitors have a seperate scaler that controls 3D and ULMB, which is not true, the gsync module IS the scaler.
I never said they were unique features, i said they were extra features in addition to gsync.
If you look up from that hole you've dug yourself in to, you might see a way out.
See, I said MODULE, not just gsync.
So this entire argument is based on you misreading what I wrote.
You then went on to claim that gsync monitors have a seperate scaler that controls 3D and ULMB, which is not true, the gsync module IS the scaler.
I never said they were unique features, i said they were extra features in addition to gsync.
If you look up from that hole you've dug yourself in to, you might see a way out.
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WOW, Just wow, I just can't argue with this level of Ignorance and stupidity.
You are the one misreading everything.
I was talking about Gsync. And features of Gsync only. You are just a pedantic idiot by saying "MODULE" Gsync is a feature of a monitor, 3D is another feature of a monitor. But, twist it whatever way you like 3D and ULMB are not features of Gsync.
I haven't dug myself into any hole. You just keep moving goal posts to suit your argument.
So if the next generation of Gsync runs with a broader hertz range than the currant one maybe even a broader range than the already very broad range that Freesync has listed. Or maybe being able to be used over HDMI/DVI (this has already been noted by Nvidia that there is no reason why it couldn't).
So neither of those would be killer new features.
And those are just two I can think of off of the top of my head. Who knows own what the boffins at Nvidia are working on.
This is the conversation that you commented on. See, We are talking about Gsync and Gsync only. Not features of a monitor, but what Gsync could bring.
Here is what you replyed to that conversation.
And in the context of the conversation that Bru, Spoffle and Me were already having, what I said to was correct and is still correct. Gsync and 3D aren't features of each other at all. Whether you put module after Gsync or not.
So you try to keep up. Here I will make it very easy for you.
It's a simple yes/no question.
Is 3D a feature of Gsync? Yes or no?
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yes, you said gsync, i said module, you then replied talking about the module, YOU SAID 3D HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MODULE
i never said 3D was a feature of Gsync
You said 3D was not a feature of the MODULE
Keep on digging then.
Here, you said that Gsync monitors have both a scaler AND a gsync module... which is not true.
I don't know how many times I can point out that 3D and ULMB are features of a scaler, the gsync scaler supports these, I have not yet seen a freesync scaler that does, so in the context of a thread talking about freesync and gsync, 3D and ULMB are features, not unique ones. If ALL monitors had 3D and ULMB then they would cease to be a feature. Like pointing out that cars have windscreens, that ceases to be a feature.
Put it this way, an IPS panel is a feature that some people look for in a monitor. There is announced a gsync monitor with an IPS panel (AHVA if you want to be pedantic), does that mean that no other monitors can have an IPS (or AHVA) panel? No of course not, one thing having a feature does not block it from existing in any other product.
My laptop has 8GB of RAM, some only have 4, that is a feature, does that mean my laptop is the only one that has 8GB? No. but it is still a feature in general terms, not a unique one.
Features do not have to be unique in order to be called a feature.
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No, i never said it was.
As pointed out several times, you are trying to force an argument on words i never used. Your summary above highlights that you had completely the wrong end of the stick from the first time you replied to me. Along with your false assumption that all gsync monitors have 2 scalers.
As pointed out several times, you are trying to force an argument on words i never used. Your summary above highlights that you had completely the wrong end of the stick from the first time you replied to me. Along with your false assumption that all gsync monitors have 2 scalers.
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Thank you. That's all I wanted to here. It's not a feature of Gsync. It's a feature of a monitor, just like IPS is a feature of the monitor.
Next time just stick to the conversation at hand and not go off on your own tangent.
Good luck.
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It is a feature of the gsync scaler (module). Which you said it was not.
I never said it was a feature of the sync feature itself, you made that up all on your own and have been arguing something i never said.
Resorting to misquoting me in the edit in order to "win" an argument i was never involved in is pretty funny though. Have you reached the bottom of that hole yet? Is it dark down there?
IF it isnt a feature of the scaler, then which component of the monitor allows 3D and ULMB to function? Is it the magic pixie ULMB dust?
I never said it was a feature of the sync feature itself, you made that up all on your own and have been arguing something i never said.
Resorting to misquoting me in the edit in order to "win" an argument i was never involved in is pretty funny though. Have you reached the bottom of that hole yet? Is it dark down there?
IF it isnt a feature of the scaler, then which component of the monitor allows 3D and ULMB to function? Is it the magic pixie ULMB dust?
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Yeah, no.