Will the rog swift get a free sync update?

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 19:33

If the competition is offering the same product for free and Nvidia are holding back the availability deliberately to force up prices (as a few people seem to think) Nvidia are handing sales to the other three manufactures and allowing them to under cut them.

This is a mass production market. You add the costs, look at the competition and price accordingly and hit full production as long as you can make sustainable profit. The only way any of these business plans make any sense is if Nvidia don't think Gsync will be a big seller or know they can't compete with FreeSync or plan on turning over low volume with big margins. The other possibility is if Nvidia run Gsync like they did with 3D and feel they might get some value from running the Gsync business at a loss.

chaparral · 4 Jan 2015 at 19:50

jigger said:
If the competition is offering the same product for free and Nvidia are holding back the availability deliberately to force up prices (as a few people seem to think) Nvidia are handing sales to the other three manufactures and allowing them to under cut them.

The G-sync competition has offered nothing more then small talk & rumours so far....

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 19:56

chaparral said:
The G-sync competition is offering nothing more then small talk & rumours so far....

Do you really think FreeSync will come to nothing? From what I've seen a lot of money has been invested from the monitor and semiconductor industry. Thats not happened by chance.

chaparral · 4 Jan 2015 at 19:58

jigger said:
Do you really think FreeSync will come to nothing? From what I've seen a lot of money has been invested from the monitor and semiconductor industry. Thats not happened by chance.

What I mean is no one can confirm at this time if freesync monitors are going cost more then a monitor without freesync till they been released or there prices released..

Martini1991 · 4 Jan 2015 at 19:59

He didn't say Freesync will come to nothing.
Your posts annoy me so much more than they should Jigger.

Comes across like you're an elaborate troll. Or, at least I hope that's the case.

chaparral · 4 Jan 2015 at 20:03

jigger said:
Do you really think FreeSync will come to nothing? From what I've seen a lot of money has been invested from the monitor and semiconductor industry. Thats not happened by chance.

From your own words

From what I've seen a lot of money has been invested from the monitor and semiconductor industry

And you think there going give you this tech for completely FREE !

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 20:03

chaparral said:
What I mean is no one can confirm at this time if freesync monitors are going cost anymore then a monitor without freesync till they been released or hard prices released..

I suppose not, as we don't know how much a Gsync logical board costs, but FreeSync scalers have been in production for months so the decision makers must be sure they can turn a profit and they will know how much a Gsync scaler costs to produce and licence.

andybird123 · 4 Jan 2015 at 20:24

jigger said:
I suppose not, as we don't know how much a Gsync logical board costs, but FreeSync scalers have been in production for months so the decision makers must be sure they can turn a profit and they will know how much a Gsync scaler costs to produce and licence.

LG and Samsung and iiyama probably dont, as they never made any 3Dvision monitors and dont have any gsync monitors, they also dont or havent made gamer-centric monitors, i would imagine nvidia have not approached them

So far, no one has announced both a gsync and a freesync model have they? Only one or the other?

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 20:34

andybird123 said:
LG and Samsung and iiyama probably dont, as they never made any 3Dvision monitors and dont have any gsync monitors, they also dont or havent made gamer-centric monitors, i would imagine nvidia have not approached them

So far, no one has announced both a gsync and a freesync model have they? Only one or the other?

I'm sure they will know. They will have been buying logic boards literally by the boat load for years.

andybird123 · 4 Jan 2015 at 20:51

I mean they wont know the manufacturer buy price for gsync boards as they arent part of that program

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 21:04

Maybe they do, and that's why they aren't part of the program *shrugs*

andybird123 · 4 Jan 2015 at 21:18

jigger said:
Maybe they do, and that's why they aren't part of the program *shrugs*

Yes, I'm sure that Samsung, a well known AMD/globalfoundries partner was approached by nvidia with gsync pricing, that sounds really likely

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 21:21

andybird123 said:
The point is, nvidia can drop the price of the gsync module any time they like, IF freesync is seen as competition and affecting sales

I've been doing a little more reading and it seems the big earner for Nvidia is the licensing fee they charge, and I think the licensee's might have something to say and a contract in place regarding drops and other manufactures taking a slice of forecast sales.

Telecaster · 4 Jan 2015 at 21:42

jigger said:
Do you really think FreeSync will come to nothing? From what I've seen a lot of money has been invested from the monitor and semiconductor industry. Thats not happened by chance.

I think Betamax and HD-DVD probably had a boat load of money poured into them as well

jigger · 4 Jan 2015 at 21:43

Telecaster said:
I think Betamax and HD-DVD probably had a boat load of money poured into them as well

So has Gysnc. Unless the Syncs are free, the only market I can see for Gysnc is from the fanboys (I mean no offence by this) and ill informed. If that market is enough to sustain a profit for Nvidia is a big question, as people don't seem to upgrade expensive monitors very often and the margins would have to be very high for the supply chain to all take a cut.

Maybe Nvidia plan to become a monitor manufacture?

andybird123 · 4 Jan 2015 at 22:32

Because "free" things always do really well against proprietary ones. I guess thats why i'm sat here playing assasins creed on my linux machine that killed off windows years ago...

Sin_Chase · 4 Jan 2015 at 22:46

jigger said:
So has Gysnc. Unless the Syncs are free, the only market I can see for Gysnc is from the fanboys (I mean no offence by this) and ill informed. If that market is enough to sustain a profit for Nvidia is a big question, as people don't seem to upgrade expensive monitors very often and the margins would have to be very high for the supply chain to all take a cut.

Maybe Nvidia plan to become a monitor manufacture?

But "FreeSync" is not free. You require:

A FreeSync compatible monitor
A FreeSync compatible GPU

FreeSync, when it launches, is going to cost EVERYONE who wants it. There is very low chance of any retrospective firmware upgrades.

There will not be a SINGLE FreeSync monitor that launches and costs the same or less than it's equivalent Non-FreeSync sibling. It's a gamer grade feature, you will be paying extra for it even if it costs the hardware partner £0 to implement.

BRIGGBOY81 · 5 Jan 2015 at 01:18

Hit the nail firmly on the head there Sin.

jigger · 5 Jan 2015 at 12:35

Sin_Chase said:
But "FreeSync" is not free. You require:

A FreeSync compatible monitor
A FreeSync compatible GPU

FreeSync, when it launches, is going to cost EVERYONE who wants it. There is very low chance of any retrospective firmware upgrades.

There will not be a SINGLE FreeSync monitor that launches and costs the same or less than it's equivalent Non-FreeSync sibling. It's a gamer grade feature, you will be paying extra for it even if it costs the hardware partner £0 to implement.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this particular avenue of the discussion, unless you assumed that I was assuming someone would give me a graphics card and monitor for free

My situation is, I have two machines that are due new monitors and I want the the best possible monitors for my money.

andybird123 · 5 Jan 2015 at 17:17

jigger said:
I'm not sure what that has to do with this particular avenue of the discussion, unless you assumed that I was assuming someone would give me a graphics card and monitor for free

My situation is, I have two machines that are due new monitors and I want the the best possible monitors for my money.

To be fair to sin, earlier inthis thread you were telling everyone that there will definitely be firmware upgrades "confirmed"