Will USA attack Iran eventually?

AthlonTom · 17 Jan 2007 at 10:51

SGCWill said:
I seen some TV show about that, saddam et al where using the euro to trade oil with, thus making the dollar weaker! imo it's a good strategy, if you can't win outright. They also said that the US was so much in debt that if China wanted to, they could destroy the US economy in a matter of years!

Besides, everyone knows that China will be the new US

Its pretty good really to know that the US isn't all powerful, I think the Uk might have had the right idea after all going with a tertiary industry/service economy, reduces our business dependence on oil, obviously we still need oil, but nothing like what we would if we were a little industrial powerhouse, besides, we've still got 300 yrs worth of coal left, and loads of wid turbines keep popping up round here

ElRazur · 17 Jan 2007 at 12:07

AthlonTom said:
Okie dokie, currently iran and the rest of the middle east sell all its oil in petro dollars yeah? This effectively keeps the dollar over inflated as all the world oil sales go through it, raising its value.

Iran recently (2003/4) started talking about the petroeuro (i think that's what its called), opec are interested in this as the euro is more stable than the dollar and EU certainly looks a lot more stable than a future US. However China probably wasn't too happy when this whole thing came to light, as they hold one of the biggest US currency reserves outside the US. China signed its biggest oil deal with iran after it made this euro announcement, which was thought would effectively help protect iran from the US and ensure china's need for massive amounts of oil.

Since all this happened back in 2003-2005 china's probably not to bothered about the large currency reserve it had as its been buying things with it all over the shop.

there's not really much stopping anybody from flicking to the petroeuro really now, collapsing the dollar, opec will hold back though as the US is a big customer, and if the US is skint the cant buy oil anymore - other than that though, seems pretty feasible that the dollar could collapse

It makes sense but i hope Ninja Economist will come along and have a say.

Jimbo · 17 Jan 2007 at 12:38

I reckon the US will attack Iran and in turn... que 3rd world war, and nuclear war. So no worries there then. :rolleyes:

ElRazur · 17 Jan 2007 at 12:43

Jimbo said:
I reckon the US will attack Iran and in turn... que 3rd world war, and nuclear war. So no worries there then.

Sarcasm or im not getting it? Check the sales of russian anti aircraft gun to iran as of yesterday in the news. Coincidence?

Jimbo · 17 Jan 2007 at 12:53

No mate Im serious.

I believe we are living through some very dodgy times, balancing right on the edge.

Murf · 17 Jan 2007 at 13:52

Jimbo said:
No mate Im serious.

I believe we are living through some very dodgy times, balancing right on the edge.

All out nuclear war is in nobodys interest though. It simply will never happen. There will be conflicts but the big 3 (US, Russia, China) aren't just gonna start having a go at nuking each other off the planet. It'd be daft.

AthlonTom · 17 Jan 2007 at 23:59

Ohhhhh - Russia Just delivered a batch of SAMs to Iran and said it would accpt more orders from them

EDIT: And its the Quite awesome TOR-M1 Short Range jobby

EDIT 2: Meh, Aljezera arn't on the ball today, apparently they started buying them in November - the order was completed today!

Chris1983 · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:27

whats so good about them?

AthlonTom · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:34

Chris1983 said:
whats so good about them?

There better than what they already had and for some obscure reason they managed to get them a year ahead of the planned completion date - there probably not expecting the yanks to come screaming over the border soon then?

What makes them awesome is the fact they can take out cruise missles and guided bombs and what not with between a 60-90% certainty (well in battlefield testing)

Chris1983 · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:39

we shall see how the chess games continues then!

Domo · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:40

Jimbo said:
No mate Im serious.

I believe we are living through some very dodgy times, balancing right on the edge.

At risk of souning dramatic and a touch paranoid I agree. Attitudes have changed over the years and people are seemingly complacent or perhaps plain ignorant to what's going on around the world.

We're bombarded with so many images of war that we're somewhat desensitised to it all.

If Russia continue supplying Iran with arms and the US considers an offensive then tensions will be as high (if not greater) than those felt during the Cuban missile crisis.

Chris1983 · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:44

Soon as that first domino falls, you know the rest...

e36Adz · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:50

ElRazur said:
Will USA attack Iran eventually?

I think so yes. I predicted they would eventually turn on Iran quite along time ago, around the time when they were making plans to go into Iraq. I also said that after they have used Pakistan to invade Afghanistan they will also make up excuses/lies and eventually turn on Pakistan. I still stand by this too. Time will tell I suppose.

Shackley · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:55

Voicing extreme concern over Russia's recent sale of advanced anti-aircraft missiles to Iran, senior diplomatic and defense officials warned Moscow Tuesday that the deal could have serious security implications that would even "get back to Russia."

Senior officials in Jerusalem said they "were not pleased" with the sale of the anti-aircraft missiles, but that Russia was a sovereign country and they could not intervene. They did, however, issue a warning: "We hope they understand that this is a threat that could come back to them as well." Jerusalem Post Link

What are they complaining about? The weapons are defensive, not offensive. If nobody attacks Iran, the weapons will do no harm.

cleanbluesky · 18 Jan 2007 at 00:58

e36Adz said:
I think so yes. I predicted they would eventually turn on Iran quite along time ago, around the time when they were making plans to go into Iraq. I also said that after they have used Pakistan to invade Afghanistan they will also make up excuses/lies and eventually turn on Pakistan. I still stand by this too. Time will tell I suppose.

Funny, the hours following 9/11 Hunter S Thompson said Iran, Iraq and Pakistan and maybe Afghanistan would get invaded. Years, years later he is being proven correct

e36Adz · 18 Jan 2007 at 01:09

cleanbluesky said:
Funny, the hours following 9/11 Hunter S Thompson said Iran, Iraq and Pakistan and maybe Afghanistan would get invaded. Years, years later he is being proven correct

How's it funny?

Hunter S Thompson you say? Never heard of him. But yeah I suppose it doesn't take a genius to figure out what they are upto.

cleanbluesky · 18 Jan 2007 at 01:15

e36Adz said:
How's it funny?

Funny as in scarily accurate.

Hunter S Thompson you say? Never heard of him. But yeah I suppose it doesn't take a genius to figure out what they are upto.

Excellent journalist. You think you don't need some kind of preternatural insight to predict some of the most major world events over the next decade within hours of the event that triggered them?

AthlonTom · 18 Jan 2007 at 09:45

Domo said:
If Russia continue supplying Iran with arms and the US considers an offensive then tensions will be as high (if not greater) than those felt during the Cuban missile crisis.

Everyones got to stop being short sighted!

Russia isn't stupid, A war with iran will destabilize the oil markets massively as the dollar slides, Russias only just gettin back on its feet in real terms with a very good economic base (a base built on oil), selling the iranians (the same system has been sold to china and greece) might just put the americans off long enough for them to come to there senses - very clever move IMO.

No war with Iran means we might see oil prices stabilize, stability is good for business.

AthlonTom · 18 Jan 2007 at 09:46

e36Adz said:
Hunter S Thompson you say? Never heard of him.

2 words (and a &)

Fear & Loathing

Rasputin_RU · 18 Jan 2007 at 09:55

ElRazur said:
With the recent US stance towards Iran and the long hostility between both countries, will this eventually lead to some sort of invasion on par of the US on Iran? This links seems to sum up on or two things that has happen lately.
This would probably be seen by some as a worrying trend.

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i think there will be, look at the Somalian incident, US is trying to Show to the world who is the daddy,

and that there is no limit for thier ambitions,
also they (US) want to make sure no one try to mess with thier dollar, which is very under threat today.

But they (politicians) they all know what is it all about, but to them it is just another game.
Unfortunateley for us they play with us (normal people)

Enjoy