Win8 Tablets

For anyone who has a Surface RT... Has the performance improved since launch? It had some very slight lag on the Modern UI (still smoother than Android though) i don't really care about the desktop though. I was just wondering if it's been fixed with the updates released since then?

The firmware update improved it. I would be lying if I said it was 100% smooth 100% of the time, but then again what is.

For all intents and purposes I would say it was absolutely fine. You'd have to be a real nitpicker for it to bother you.

I do think however it will look a lot less snappy side by side with next generation when that arrives the same way older iPhones and iPads do.
 
Right now it's a wait to see whether the Surface RT comes down in price vs. Office for Android/iOS as the only way I can justify a tablet is by it replacing my netbook as an uber-portable work tool. And the fact that the RT doesn't use USB charging is just plain annoying :p

Tbf if I was MS I would no way release mobile Office on any platform but their own, as soon as they do one of their massive USPs goes out of the window.
 
No Surface Pro for me !

I have ordered a Dell XPS 12 - i7, 8GB Ram, 256GB Solid State.

Snag is I have to wait until the 15th Feb before it arrives.
 
You'd think Microsoft would at least say something, I'm getting the impression that they just seem to have forgotten about their 'flagship' windows hardware.

Went into John Lewis today and got to try a Surface RT. The hardware is amazing, but I felt that the OS wasn't as snappy as I thought it should have been, probably due to Tegra 3 not being completely up for the task! If these new 7W IB processors get into the Pro, I'll be happy indeed, should be a good compromise between size, speed and battery life :)
 
It's not the 7w,
What do you mean not saying anything?
They've already said everything, with a live even on the 25th in New York
 
They said half the battery life of rt, so no 7w, uless they've made a sudden change to hardware. But then the surface pro must already be in production and for a little while.

Can't find the article but this is what I posted after I read it.

There will be a Surface Pro release event on jan 25th in New York. Making it very likely it will be on sale on the 26th, they did say it would be 90 days after the surface rt.
 
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They said half the battery life of rt, so no 7w, uless they've made a sudden change to hardware. But then the surface pro must already be in production and for a little while.

Can't find the article but this is what I posted after I read it.

They might have, after they read about people concerns of a 4hr battery when the announced it. And remember this is only a lower power ivy bridge, intel could have been producing them for the Surface Pro for a few weeks prior to their announcement yesterday.

Sorry but there is nothing at all on the Internet about a 25th January event, I think you've read the surface rt event by mistake ;)
 
Tbf if I was MS I would no way release mobile Office on any platform but their own, as soon as they do one of their massive USPs goes out of the window.

Microsoft seem to be the only one out of the big three going down the cross platform road in a serious way. That's great for people who like Office but already own an iPad for example. I'd much rather that than 'do a Google' and basically not bother.
 
Only problem with the ultra low power Ivy's, the HD4000 isn't good to be anywhere near as good as it could be, and it doesn't exactly have much in the way of grunt as it is.
My i3 Ivy i3-3217U isn't really upto much in GPU performance.
 
Well, I bought an Acer W700, as an OcUK competitor finally got a couple (well, 1) in stock.

Really am loving this, a decent screen on a Windows mobile device, wow! I'm going to try and use it at normal DPI for as long as possible, 'cause it looks awesome.

Anyway, bought the i3 model, which has the same TDP as the i5 Ivy and similar performance, besides graphics, and I only need 64GB for my uses, so saved ~£110. Paid £592, which is a stonking price, especially considering the build quality (all aluminium and a glass front), and the extra bits in the box. The keyboard is a nicely made, compact layout, which connects via Bluetooth. The dock/stand is ok, bit cheap feeling, but it does work. Not keen on it though, and won't be keeping it with me as it doesn't fold particularly well, and the stand is not adjustable besides portrait/landscape orientation. The charger is a nice small unit, about the size of a normal pack of playing cards for the brick, plenty of tablet-side lead, and a standard clover style plug for the mains, stock cable is about a metre long.

The best included accessory is the case, which is "leather-style". Well made, the tablet clips in nicely, and there's a fold which allows the tablet to "stand" (only 30° from the table). The cover part flips over each way, but disappointingly isn't magnetised to stay in place.

Still, not bad given that some of the Clovertrail tablets are quite a bit more expensive, with worse build quality and screens (I had a look at the Samsung and HP Clovertrail tablets. The HP was fine, but £799 for an Atom tablet? The Samsung was also too expensive, but had very cheap feeling plastic to boot. It reminded me, funnily enough, of my Dad's very budget Acer laptop we bought him a few years ago.

I'll get some photos up and things later on, bit these are initial impressions, and written up with the on screen keyboard, which is very good.

If there's one thing missing from the experience (besides a proper keyboard dock), it's the lack of a nice, hard tipped stylus, which would male navigating the desktop UI at this resolution a doddle.
 
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Good review and interesting opinions. I totally agree about the HP Envy X2 pricing. I had a play with one the other day (We're an HP partner and one of our account managers had one) and it was very nice.... but £799? For an Atom based tab when Surface pro is going to be £799 for the same storage but 4GB RAM and i5 CPU? No thanks. Especially considering it's $749 in the HP US store.
I will wait for Surface Pro to..... surface before I take the plunge.
 
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Marvin, do you have any games you could try running?
I kind of want to wait for haswell, but I don't.
Choices choices choices. This month should be a very good pay packet, if I don't spend it on other things again.
Acer does look like a great cheap stepping stone, waiting for haswell chips.
The gigabyte looks awesome, but that's expected to be $1000 which is same as surface.
 
So, I thought I'd do a full review of the W700, plus some thoughts on W8 et al.

First Impressions
To start with, the box. It's quite a premium feel, all card/cardboard of course, but all the accessories are compartmentalised in matte black boxes. Certainly a decent first impression.

Of course, what's inside is more important, so here's the business, the tablet itself. The front is glass covered (the black area), and a single button features at the bottom which gives a hardware key for the Start screen. Obviously the screen is glossy, but that is expected of a tablet. The rest of the tablet is made from aluminium, though I'm not sure about the buttons, they feel more like high quality plastic.

The right side features a Micro HDMI port, a fullsize USB 3.0 port and the power input. It also proclaims Dolby enriched sound.

The ports are cleanly cut into the aluminium, the USB 3.0 port has a nice bevelled edge and none of the edges are sharp.

On the left hand side, we find the main buttons, the power/sleep button, the volume rocker and a 3.5mm headphone jack. I don't think the buttons are aluminium, but they feel solid.

On the bottom, there are two sets of nicely cut speaker grilles with a red detail behind. The speakers are nice and loud, good enough on full volume to be heard clearly in a room of normal conversation.

At the top, we get our first inkling of the power within, two reasonably large grilles, and the lock slider. The tablet is not actually fanless, but the fans Acer have used are very quiet when in operation, and being situated at the top of the device, are not easily blocked in my experience.

As I said before, the back of the tablet is aluminium, and it is here we find the (worthless) 5MP camera. I'm still amazed that people want to use a tablet as a camera. Apparently it's quite competent, but I can't imagine you'd want to use a 950g tablet as a camera for too long. At the top is a plastic strip, which I assume contains the aerials for the WiFi or Bluetooth antennas, but I don't know.

Random detail shots:

 
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Screen On!
Once we fire it up, we're greeted with a gorgeous 1920x1080 IPS panel, with fantastic viewing angles (which are obviously somewhat offset by the very glossy screen) and a bright backlight.





Acer have installed a "few" applications, most of which are apps from the W8 Store, but also bundled is a McAffee trial, which instantly (first boot up) told me that it had expired or something and that I was unprotected. One MSE activation and an uninstallation later and that was fixed :D. There were also games and things installed, but all were painless to remove, the only large application being the camera profile application which was well over 250MB, but I can't figure the purpose of. They did have a Microsoft Office trial and Skype installed too.

Before W8 was released, and I tried the RP on my desktop, I had wondered what the hell they were doing. Now I'm running full W8 on my desktop, and I'm used to some of the little quirks, and generally find it a pleasant experience (the improvements to Explorer are great), so I was eager to see what it was like on its intended platform.

Any app (from the Store, program or application for the desktop please!) has very tight touch control, and the apps I found somewhat pointless or space wasting on my desktop, turned out pretty nice on this. The stock Weather, Email and Maps apps are very nice to use with a touch interface - just like Windows Phone, or another tablet OS.

It gets slightly more complex with programs. I installed Maxthon 4, which is my favourite browser (cloud shares favourites, passwords, history and so on between computers, and also has mobile equivalents (though not WP8 yet)) as it uses both Internet Explorer's rendering engine (Trident) and Chrome's rendering engine (Webkit), allowing the user to switch if one has a bit of a fit. It also sandboxes Flash, just like Chrome, and has an excellent download manager and ad blocker built in as standard. The issue is that the interface is a smidge on the small side for fingers on an 11" 1080p device, making closing tabs and using the browser's back and forward buttons a smidge fiddly (multiple attempts are required for the tab crosses). I have set Windows' DPI to 125%, but it's not much better. However, this leads me into the on-screen keyboard.

Unlike a traditional mobile OS, the keyboard in desktop mode is treated like a seperate program, literally an onscreen keyboard, so keyboard shortcuts are still functional - now I can close/open tabs, and go back a page easily in the browser as the keyboard can be popped onscreen by tapping the keyboard icon in the taskbar. Unfortunately, again like other mobile OS, when you tap the address bar, you expect the keyboard to appear, which it doesn't. You must manually bring the keyboard up when you want to use it, and cross it off when you've finished. It is treated like a normal window, so can be moved around the screen (which means you can scroll it nearly off the screen).

An issue that is rather annoying is how scroll lists are treated in desktop mode - trying to scroll a drop down box in Maxthon is annoying as hell. One has to tap the up/down arrows (and they're very small, so it's all too easy to accidentally tap off the box), you can't use the scroll bar. This makes form filling with long forms rather tedious. Luckily, Internet Explorer's desktop version handles this fine, so it seems to be a browser engine issue, which will be fixed when Webkit is updated. Maxthon in Trident (IE) mode handles it just like IE.

So, all in all, a little fragmentation that could be a little more streamlined, and awaiting third parties to tweak existing applications to better suit touch.

Right, now for performance.

I've done CPU, SSD and GPU benchmarks, SuperPI, AS SSD and Cinebench.

Here are the results:
SuperPI (32M, 24 iterations):
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AS SSD Benchmark:
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Great results from the Toshiba SSD. I was a little worried it'd be a SATA 2 drive or something, but while it's no Vector or 840 Pro, it's very good for what would usually be a dog slow 5400rpm HDD...

Cinebench R11:


I also did a quick video of Portal on mid/high (no AA) 720p settings, just for "feel" as well as a boot sequence.

Obviously it's no gaming tablet, but for casual games, Source engine games and older titles, it's fine at 720p. Only thing of course, you'll almost certainly need a keyboard/mouse, so it loses a bit of portability.
 
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Thanks for the review, sounds like a decent tablet.

but I can't imagine you'd want to use a 850g tablet as a camera for too long.

Is that the official weight? I was tempted by this but put off by the reports of it being 1kg+, and haven't been able to find anything official. 850g is much better though, lighter than the surface pro iirc.
 
850g is an approx that I grabbed from thin air, in hindsight not the best thing to do when writing a review - it's actually 944g according to my kitchen scales.
 
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