Windows 7 or 8

[gareth170]

Cars have been using a steering wheel for 100 years, so I guess change is long overdue? No, wait, I haven't seen all new Mercedes or Fords with joysticks, so I guess change for the sake of it is just for Windows then

you can't compare cars to software.

software changes all the time

 

[Elevon]

Cars have been using a steering wheel for 100 years, so I guess change is long overdue? No, wait, I haven't seen all new Mercedes or Fords with joysticks, so I guess change for the sake of it is just for Windows then

Not the same thing besides you can get cars without steering wheels ,try google and you see what I mean it,also remember Dos 6.22,Win3.1 and all the Linux distros with different UI?....I know change is a scary thing for some people and like to defend it with something like steering wheel crap,progress and change stops for no-one.

 

[panyan]

Cars have been using a steering wheel for 100 years, so I guess change is long overdue? No, wait, I haven't seen all new Mercedes or Fords with joysticks, so I guess change for the sake of it is just for Windows then

The first cars didnt all have steering wheel systems

Operating systems arent nearly as mature as motor cars

 

[Burnsy2023]

I would suggest trialling Win8 in a VM or another machine before moving to it. As much as I admire some of the excellent technical advances, such as IPv6 DA support, I still find the whole user experience cluncky and irritating on a normal desktop environment. For me, I prefer to avoid Win8 on a traditional desktop machine and keep Win7 as it annoys me a whole lot less. Some people love it, some people hate it but see what works best for you.

 

[Jonod2977]

I would suggest trialling Win8 in a VM or another machine before moving to it. As much as I admire some of the excellent technical advances, such as IPv6 DA support, I still find the whole user experience cluncky and irritating on a normal desktop environment. For me, I prefer to avoid Win8 on a traditional desktop machine and keep Win7 as it annoys me a whole lot less. Some people love it, some people hate it but see what works best for you.

Thanks Burnsy i think that would be the best option!

 

[linktoinsanity]

you can't compare cars to software.

software changes all the time

So do cars...

I am failing to see how you can't see that as a valid point, considering it IS a valid point.

I've got Windows 8 on my laptop again at the moment, to try to get more to grips, I'm doing better this time, but I still would like my old Start Menu back. However, maybe 8.1 will improve the Start Screen enough that I can learn to live without it.

 

[PiKe]

8 is just full of completely unnecessary changes, I fail to see how the new UI has made anything better?

 

[CaptainCrash]

also remember Dos 6.22,Win3.1 and all the Linux distros with different UI?

I remember Windows 3.1. It had a program launcher called Program Manager which took up the entire screen and had shortcuts to apps arranged in groups... oh, wait...

 

[linktoinsanity]

I remember Windows 3.1. It had a program launcher called Program Manager which took up the entire screen and had shortcuts to apps arranged in groups... oh, wait...

Fair point.

 

[Elevon]

I remember Windows 3.1. It had a program launcher called Program Manager which took up the entire screen and had shortcuts to apps arranged in groups... oh, wait...

Can you remember the Commodore Amiga UI?

 

[Rroff]

Cars have been using a steering wheel for 100 years, so I guess change is long overdue? No, wait, I haven't seen all new Mercedes or Fords with joysticks, so I guess change for the sake of it is just for Windows then

Sadly some people won't understand this distinction.

you can't compare cars to software.

software changes all the time

Of course you can - many operating systems gravitated towards the model used by Windows 95 through to 7 (quite a lot of other operating systems i.e. various Linux flavors, RISC OS, Some variants of the Amiga OS and so on also end up using a similiar model either before or after Windows 95) for a good reason - because for a large number of people it is a very optimal way of using the OS, likewise cars evolved to use steering wheels because its one of the most optimal ways for many people to operate the vehicle.

The start menu style system didn't just happen by chance and stick, it was a model that was over time the UI was refined and evolved towards.

 

[Elevon]

Sadly some people won't understand this distinction.



Of course you can - many operating systems gravitated towards the model used by Windows 95 through to 7 (quite a lot of other operating systems i.e. various Linux flavors, RISC OS, Some variants of the Amiga OS and so on also end up using a similiar model either before or after Windows 95) for a good reason - because for a large number of people it is a very optimal way of using the OS, likewise cars evolved to use steering wheels because its one of the most optimal ways for many people to operate the vehicle.

The start menu style system didn't just happen by chance and stick, it was a model that was over time the UI was refined and evolved towards.

Only one big problem with that Win95 to Win7 or even earlier was not designed for modern hardware ie tablets(touch devices) etc this is where Win8 comes in ie can handle any type of hardware from desktop PCs to tablets ,phones etc...
I think modern hybrid OS is the future for Microsoft and will continue to evolve to take into account any type of hardware both present and future,just like Dos went to Win3.1 and 95 etc ,hybrid OS will do the same thing.

Mercedes Benz SCL600 ... The Future Is Now

Progress and change waits for no-one.

Joysticks may replace steering wheels

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/joysticks_may_replace_steering_wheels

 

[Rroff]

Thats as may be but it doesn't change the fact that for desktop use its less ideal than the previous model for many desktop users and even with a rise in other devices it won't change how that is on the desktop.


EDIT: TBH tho I can fire up remote desktop style software and use a Windows 7 PC from my tablet pretty well infact for a lot of stuff it works really well, theres a few minor things that suffer from lack of proper mouse/hardware keyboard functionality but mostly thats due to that method of computing not being very mainstream and so no mechanism really exists for that functionality it would be easy enough to work around with some fairly minor changes.

 

[Elevon]

Thats as may be but it doesn't change the fact that for desktop use its less ideal than the previous model for many desktop users and even with a rise in other devices it won't change how that is on the desktop.


EDIT: TBH tho I can fire up remote desktop style software and use a Windows 7 PC from my tablet pretty well infact for a lot of stuff it works really well, theres a few minor things that suffer from lack of proper mouse/hardware keyboard functionality but mostly thats due to that method of computing not being very mainstream and so no mechanism really exists for that functionality it would be easy enough to work around with some fairly minor changes.

It's all relative,I was happy with DOS 6.22 on my desktop PCs,I adapted to ALL the changes even in Windows etc...I will also adapt to any changes in the future,progress and change will always happen regardless of what you or I think.

However I still think its better and easier in the long run to accept changes are inevitable and get stuck in so to speak rather then resist and live in the past.

 

[theheyes]

I don't think people are appreciating the big picture if they think Windows 8 is just change for the sake of it. You might think Microsoft are taking a big risk alienating a few desktop users, but that pales in comparison to the risk of doing nothing and just shipping another desktop OS.

 

[linktoinsanity]

I don't think people are appreciating the big picture if they think Windows 8 is just change for the sake of it. You might think Microsoft are taking a big risk alienating a few desktop users, but that pales in comparison to the risk of doing nothing and just shipping another desktop OS.

And changing the desktop OS so it's more like a tablet OS has really helped save the PC market...

To be honest though, I've done a reinstall of Windows 8 on my laptop again, giving it another try and I'm slowly getting used to it without a Start Menu. The Start Screen is horrible, however I am finding other ways round this. I've seen the 8.1 preview in action, so getting the desktop boot back will be nice and at least getting the same background on it will make the Start Screen less jarring.

And the Start Menu does still exist in the form of the Windows Key + x...

 

[theheyes]

And changing the desktop OS so it's more like a tablet OS has really helped save the PC market...

The only thing the PC market needs saving from is itself.

Spoiler alert: 8.1 isn't going to reverse the trend either.

 

[Glaucus]

And changing the desktop OS so it's more like a tablet OS has really helped save the PC market...

Rofl, nothing will save the decline desktop market.
People just don't need desktops.
It will decline for years if not decades, before stabilising at a much much lower number.

Oh and tablets and smartphones are part of the pc market so your whole quote is a bit funny.
People who thought a new os would boost sells, should not be in the pc industry and should defiantly not be a CEO of an OEM, they are deluded and should have been fired. In fact the management from all the traditional Desktop makers should be sacked for being idiots and not seeing the blatnent trend that analysts could easily see.
And this shows why those in power should be sacked, also notice the downward trend start well before win8,
Also shows why they should be sacked for their lack of tablet offerings, under specced over priced and trounced by the competition.

@Burnsy, just get used to it, it's not clunky and has some great features, if you still can't get used to it, install startisback or similar.
Not only by sticking to win7 are you missing some of the features you mentioned. If you have to buy a new license, win7 is more expensive and the license is more restricted.

 

[Elevon]

And changing the desktop OS so it's more like a tablet OS has really helped save the PC market...

To be honest though, I've done a reinstall of Windows 8 on my laptop again, giving it another try and I'm slowly getting used to it without a Start Menu. The Start Screen is horrible, however I am finding other ways round this. I've seen the 8.1 preview in action, so getting the desktop boot back will be nice and at least getting the same background on it will make the Start Screen less jarring.

And the Start Menu does still exist in the form of the Windows Key + x...

Desktop PC was always going to be in trouble,old days it had no competition unless you count laptops,now it has a lot of different hardware to compete against and in a lot of cases those different types of hardware are also cheaper/smaller and portable to name a few advantages.

Win8 is their first hybrid OS so something they can build on just like Win7 was built on many generations of Windows for desktops(decades if you count them),for the most part the old desktop UI is still there so I don't see the big deal to be honest,it's not like the very old days where you had to work to get things down,anybody here remember DOS 6.22 and rearranging memory,IRQs etc fun that was lol....

Anyway its early days for a new hybrid OS and something they can build on,when you look at 8/8.1 its a pretty good first attempt at a modern hybrid OS that caters for everything,no OS is perfect but something then can build/improve on down the road.

Modern hardware changes so does operating systems.

 

[shum]

I quite enjoy Windows 8 myself. It's a bit different from Windows 7 but after you used it for a few hours it's not that difficult to use as some people make it out to be.

I am agree your comment.Windows 8 is better then the windows seven.